General Aviation Almost went up in smoke forever on 9-11 This is
serious. If we want to be able to fly in our own aircraft, to/from
major airports ( even smaller airports) then we MUST retain the
RESPECT and CREDIBILITY to / of the non-flying public.

Another (contrived??) 'terrorist' attack The above Non-flying
public may demand that GA be shut down and I can assure you the
airlines will be screaming the loudest and kicking GA the
hardest.

We need the Non flying public on our side.


I myself have over 10 K hours, flying since 1973, Beech 18's, DC-3
DC-4, DC-6 DC-7B
DC-8's Convair 440's and 580's

Quite frankly, I am proud of my accomplishments: I feel shame when I
see LOOOOSERS showing up at some major airport FBO crawling out of a
Cessna or Piper, looking like they just we're convicted of a DUI.
Dressed like TRASH

Real dirt bags that have NO respect for themselves, their ratings
trying to look 'GRADE SCHOOL' 'cool' like they 'don't care'

Well let me tell you, it only takes one of this type of JERKOFF at a
Major FBO lobby to do incredible damage to GA in the mind of NON
flying VOTERS!

I fly 450 hrs per year for my business and I am in uniform when I fly.
Four Gold stripes the works. and guess what it commands respect.
Quick turns!!! and ALWAYS... get it ALWAYS an airport car to use.

The 'joe cool' JERKOFF ?? a taxi or walking! Who is going to trust
the pilot with ' DUI ' look with a FBO / or one of the employees
personal car would YOU???

Who is going to think it's SAFE / TRUST to allow the 'DUI' trash
look pilot to fly in / to the SAME airport, airspace as Grandma or
their children???

Today FBO lobbies are FULL of non flying people waiting for/ picking
up charters, fractional corporate ownership: PERCEPTION IS
EVERYTHING!

Flying for the most part even today is somewhat 'awe' to the non
flying public it is not ho -hum to them still holds excitement they
EXPECT to see 'pro's at airports not JERKOFFS!

comments???

by the way, My father was a Truck Driver in the 1950's /1960's
1970's As a Kid I went with him every summer over the road.

NEVER ONCE did I see my Father looking un kept or unshaved on the
road. He wore a clean 'uniform ' every day (Dickies)
I can remember many a time my father (and other truckers) pulling his
truck over to the side of the road in the early morning, clean up
and SHAVE at some creek or river.

I NEVER once saw another 'over the road' truck driver during that
time period looking like Dirtbag CRAP all we're well kept! PROUD of
being a trucker and looked the part!

Today??? Many OTR drivers look like Charlie Manson! Dirty, un
kept, filthy! YUCK!

On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 16:37:05 -0800 (PST), wrote:

>Flying for the most part even today is somewhat 'awe' to the non
>flying public it is not ho -hum to them still holds excitement they
>EXPECT to see 'pro's at airports not JERKOFFS!
>
>comments???

Mike Milken and Ken Lay always looked good! <G> In fact, Mohammed
Atta was keenly shaven and well coiffed for his passport photo:
<http://www.nndb.com/people/780/000028696/>

What a sharp young man he is! What I'd want hanging around the FBO...

I'll wear whatever the hell _I_ want, when I fly _my_ airplane, that
_I_ paid for. In fact, you're encouraging me to go fly in a "Borat"
yellow banana hammock! =8^) Where can I come visit you?

If I'm paid to fly someone else's machine, I'll gladly wear what they
ask, as they certainly have a say _if_ they're paying me.

God damn kid... He actually made money from that "rock and roll'...

On Nov 27, 6:37 pm, wrote:
> General Aviation Almost went up in smoke forever on 9-11 This is
> serious. If we want to be able to fly in our own aircraft, to/from
> major airports ( even smaller airports) then we MUST retain the
> RESPECT and CREDIBILITY to / of the non-flying public.
>
> Another (contrived??) 'terrorist' attack The above Non-flying
> public may demand that GA be shut down and I can assure you the
> airlines will be screaming the loudest and kicking GA the
> hardest.
>
> We need the Non flying public on our side.
>
> I myself have over 10 K hours, flying since 1973, Beech 18's, DC-3
> DC-4, DC-6 DC-7B
> DC-8's Convair 440's and 580's
>
> Quite frankly, I am proud of my accomplishments: I feel shame when I
> see LOOOOSERS showing up at some major airport FBO crawling out of a
> Cessna or Piper, looking like they just we're convicted of a DUI.
> Dressed like TRASH
>
> Real dirt bags that have NO respect for themselves, their ratings
> trying to look 'GRADE SCHOOL' 'cool' like they 'don't care'
>
> Well let me tell you, it only takes one of this type of JERKOFF at a
> Major FBO lobby to do incredible damage to GA in the mind of NON
> flying VOTERS!
>
> I fly 450 hrs per year for my business and I am in uniform when I fly.
> Four Gold stripes the works. and guess what it commands respect.
> Quick turns!!! and ALWAYS... get it ALWAYS an airport car to use.
>
> The 'joe cool' JERKOFF ?? a taxi or walking! Who is going to trust
> the pilot with ' DUI ' look with a FBO / or one of the employees
> personal car would YOU???
>
> Who is going to think it's SAFE / TRUST to allow the 'DUI' trash
> look pilot to fly in / to the SAME airport, airspace as Grandma or
> their children???
>
> Today FBO lobbies are FULL of non flying people waiting for/ picking
> up charters, fractional corporate ownership: PERCEPTION IS
> EVERYTHING!
>
> Flying for the most part even today is somewhat 'awe' to the non
> flying public it is not ho -hum to them still holds excitement they
> EXPECT to see 'pro's at airports not JERKOFFS!
>
> comments???
>
> by the way, My father was a Truck Driver in the 1950's /1960's
> 1970's As a Kid I went with him every summer over the road.
>
> NEVER ONCE did I see my Father looking un kept or unshaved on the
> road. He wore a clean 'uniform ' every day (Dickies)
> I can remember many a time my father (and other truckers) pulling his
> truck over to the side of the road in the early morning, clean up
> and SHAVE at some creek or river.
>
> I NEVER once saw another 'over the road' truck driver during that
> time period looking like Dirtbag CRAP all we're well kept! PROUD of
> being a trucker and looked the part!
>
> Today??? Many OTR drivers look like Charlie Manson! Dirty, un
> kept, filthy! YUCK!

Too many in our society dress like scum.
Sloppy dressed pilots are usually sloppy fliers also. This is not
always the case.
I fly for a trucking company and for a law firm. The truckers dress
neatly, although some are way over weight for their own good. These
truckers are professionals and their company expects them to present
themselves in a positive light. After all they represent their
company. The company expect them to keep the trucks clean inside and
out. Their professionalism helps out when they are checked by the
DOT.
I would never dream of showing up to an airport looking like a gutter
bum.
Proper conduct and having a neat appearance have always helped me get
jobs, respect and preferential treatment in many situations.
As a professional pilot, I know what I am talking about.

wrote:

> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!

>comments???

The quality of your diatribe make you APPEAR to be a little wacky.

Slow down a bit. The issue is likely not to be as important as you think.

--
Message posted via http://www.aviationkb.com

> wrote:
>
>
>> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!


You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots
uniform you won't be doing that again.

On Nov 29, 6:32 pm, Newps > wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>
> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots
> uniform you won't be doing that again.

How about climbing out of a Cessna 150? ;-)

http://tinyurl.com/3c79nf

"Longworth" wrote:

>>
>> >> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>>
>> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
>> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots
>> uniform you won't be doing that again.
>
> How about climbing out of a Cessna 150? ;-)
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3c79nf

Haw!

Busted!

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

"Newps" wrote:
>>
>>> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>
>
> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots uniform
> you won't be doing that again.

Aw, c'mon!

Don't you think we'd all look sharp in these?

http://ghs.pasco.k12.fl.us/news/uniforms.jpg



--
Dan

"Don't make me nervous when I'm carryin' a baseball bat."
- Big Joe Turner

On 11/30/07 12:38, Dan Luke wrote:
> "Newps" wrote:
>>>
>>>> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>>
>>
>> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
>> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots uniform
>> you won't be doing that again.
>
> Aw, c'mon!
>
> Don't you think we'd all look sharp in these?
>
> http://ghs.pasco.k12.fl.us/news/uniforms.jpg

Okay, I'm really glad I wasn't taking a drink when that picture came up ;-)



--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Airplane, USUA Ultralight Pilot
Cal Aggie Flying Farmers
Sacramento, CA

Dan Luke wrote:
> "Newps" wrote:
>
>>>> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>>>>
>> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
>> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots uniform
>> you won't be doing that again.
>>
>
> Aw, c'mon!
>
> Don't you think we'd all look sharp in these?
>
> http://ghs.pasco.k12.fl.us/news/uniforms.jpg
>

Clearly not flamboyant enough to accurately represent the lofty status
of being a private pilot! :-P

KC
>
>
>

Man, are the slobs and whiners gonna flame you... You see, here in the
States, you have the RIGHT to look like a pig and trash the reputation
of others who engage in similar activities. Anyone who objects is simply
a crazed right wing idiot. The mere suggestion of some sort of protocol
like this will bring out the most vile responses.

For years we had to do the suit and tie thing in Corporate America. Now,
we are in the thick of the "casual business" phase. As the overall look
slips at some companies, the firms now publish "what not to wear" to
work memos and on-line "hints". Some of the fellows I run into look like
they just dragged themselves from an all night poker game (wrinkled
clothes, hair sticking out/uncombed, dirty clothes, scraped up shoes -
untied). A few of the ladies are dressed like they are going out to the
night clubs. It is only a matter of time before we are back to the suits
and ties.

But hell, freedom means you get the right to look like crap. It also
means I get the right to tell you look like crap.

Let the Flames begin,
Mike

> General Aviation Almost went up in smoke forever on 9-11 This is
> serious. If we want to be able to fly in our own aircraft, to/from
> major airports ( even smaller airports) then we MUST retain the
> RESPECT and CREDIBILITY to / of the non-flying public.
>
> Another (contrived??) 'terrorist' attack The above Non-flying
> public may demand that GA be shut down and I can assure you the
> airlines will be screaming the loudest and kicking GA the
> hardest.
>
> We need the Non flying public on our side.
>
>
> I myself have over 10 K hours, flying since 1973, Beech 18's, DC-3
> DC-4, DC-6 DC-7B
> DC-8's Convair 440's and 580's
>
> Quite frankly, I am proud of my accomplishments: I feel shame when I
> see LOOOOSERS showing up at some major airport FBO crawling out of a
> Cessna or Piper, looking like they just we're convicted of a DUI.
> Dressed like TRASH
>
> Real dirt bags that have NO respect for themselves, their ratings
> trying to look 'GRADE SCHOOL' 'cool' like they 'don't care'
>
> Well let me tell you, it only takes one of this type of JERKOFF at a
> Major FBO lobby to do incredible damage to GA in the mind of NON
> flying VOTERS!
>
> I fly 450 hrs per year for my business and I am in uniform when I fly.
> Four Gold stripes the works. and guess what it commands respect.
> Quick turns!!! and ALWAYS... get it ALWAYS an airport car to use.
>
> The 'joe cool' JERKOFF ?? a taxi or walking! Who is going to trust
> the pilot with ' DUI ' look with a FBO / or one of the employees
> personal car would YOU???
>
> Who is going to think it's SAFE / TRUST to allow the 'DUI' trash
> look pilot to fly in / to the SAME airport, airspace as Grandma or
> their children???
>
> Today FBO lobbies are FULL of non flying people waiting for/ picking
> up charters, fractional corporate ownership: PERCEPTION IS
> EVERYTHING!
>
> Flying for the most part even today is somewhat 'awe' to the non
> flying public it is not ho -hum to them still holds excitement they
> EXPECT to see 'pro's at airports not JERKOFFS!
>
> comments???
>
> by the way, My father was a Truck Driver in the 1950's /1960's
> 1970's As a Kid I went with him every summer over the road.
>
> NEVER ONCE did I see my Father looking un kept or unshaved on the
> road. He wore a clean 'uniform ' every day (Dickies)
> I can remember many a time my father (and other truckers) pulling his
> truck over to the side of the road in the early morning, clean up
> and SHAVE at some creek or river.
>
> I NEVER once saw another 'over the road' truck driver during that
> time period looking like Dirtbag CRAP all we're well kept! PROUD of
> being a trucker and looked the part!
>
> Today??? Many OTR drivers look like Charlie Manson! Dirty, un
> kept, filthy! YUCK!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

>
>> General Aviation Almost went up in smoke forever on 9-11

No, it did not. Not even close.


>> Another (contrived??) 'terrorist' attack The above Non-flying
>> public may demand that GA be shut down and I can assure you the
>> airlines will be screaming the loudest and kicking GA the
>> hardest.

The airlines are screaming the loudest right now about user fees and are
all alone except for the administration. It's a party of two and
they're getting their ass handed to them.


>>
>> Quite frankly, I am proud of my accomplishments: I feel shame when I
>> see LOOOOSERS showing up at some major airport FBO crawling out of a
>> Cessna or Piper, looking like they just we're convicted of a DUI.
>> Dressed like TRASH

What's a looooser?

Rest of drivel snipped.

Why keep feeding this troll?

On Nov 29, 4:32 pm, Newps > wrote:
> > wrote:
>
> >> PERCEPTION IS EVERYTHING!
>
> You're right there. And if you could see what the other people are
> perceiving as some clown climbs out of a cherokee wearing a pilots
> uniform you won't be doing that again.

Amen to that. But there is a big spread between a uniform for a
Saturday morning breakfast trip and looking like a slob. This is North
America, where uniforms are usually associated with work, not play.
And people who dress like slobs get about as much respect as they
deserve. There's lots of room between the extremes for those of us
looking for a balance.
Personally, my nose is a lot more sensitive than my eyeballs.
Some young folks seem to think that stink is cool, now.
Looking like a slob isn't enough anymore. What's next? A loincloth?

Dan

Mike Spera wrote:
> Man, are the slobs and whiners gonna flame you... You see, here in the
> States, you have the RIGHT to look like a pig and trash the reputation
> of others who engage in similar activities. Anyone who objects is simply
> a crazed right wing idiot. The mere suggestion of some sort of protocol
> like this will bring out the most vile responses.
>
> For years we had to do the suit and tie thing in Corporate America. Now,
> we are in the thick of the "casual business" phase. As the overall look
> slips at some companies, the firms now publish "what not to wear" to
> work memos and on-line "hints". Some of the fellows I run into look like
> they just dragged themselves from an all night poker game (wrinkled
> clothes, hair sticking out/uncombed, dirty clothes, scraped up shoes -
> untied). A few of the ladies are dressed like they are going out to the
> night clubs. It is only a matter of time before we are back to the suits
> and ties

Lets see what the nightmare boss has to say about that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWRM0qj_qVM