Insurance for young pilots?

[Graham Drinkell[_2_]]

I have always encouraged and allowed young capable pilots to fly my
aerobatic Pilatus B4PC11AF. It now seems, insurance companies have
prohibited me from allowing young enthusiastic pilots to fly my B4.
Aerobatic flying is a very safe sport-the pilots are more attuned than

XC pilots. Most insurance claims are incurred by XC pilots with poor
flying skills, landing out with minimal options and damaging their a/c.
At around 1500' agl you should have selected at least 3 land-out
options?
This could be the end of youth flying- killed off by the insurance
brokers?

[Paul Agnew]

Is non-owner insurance an option for your proteges?

PA

[[email protected]]

On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 4:45:06 PM UTC-5, Graham Drinkell wrote:
> I have always encouraged and allowed young capable pilots to fly my
> aerobatic Pilatus B4PC11AF. It now seems, insurance companies have
> prohibited me from allowing young enthusiastic pilots to fly my B4.
> Aerobatic flying is a very safe sport-the pilots are more attuned than
>
> XC pilots. Most insurance claims are incurred by XC pilots with poor
> flying skills, landing out with minimal options and damaging their a/c.
> At around 1500' agl you should have selected at least 3 land-out
> options?
> This could be the end of youth flying- killed off by the insurance
> brokers?

What country? Are there acro specifics in the policy or are they assuming acro use because of glider type?

[Eric Greenwell[_4_]]

wrote on 11/10/2018 1:55 PM:
> Most insurance claims are incurred by XC pilots with poor
> flying skills, landing out with minimal options and damaging their a/c.

What country are you flying in? My memory might be fooling me, but I recall that
more insurance claims in the US come from local flights and ground handling damage
than XC landouts.

And, I don't need three landout options at 1500' - just one good one is enough.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-sailplanes-2014A.pdf

[George Haeh]

My limited sample from gliders and pilots I know:

6 Ground Handling
9 Local including 1 XC that made it back to launch point

0 XC non-contest
2 XC contest
1 XC tow released in rotor

[Graham Drinkell[_2_]]

At 21:47 10 November 2018, Paul Agnew wrote:
>Is non-owner insurance an option for your proteges?
>
>PA
>Will check, but previously never a problem on an ad hoc basis.

[Graham Drinkell[_2_]]

At 21:55 10 November 2018, wrote:
>On Saturday, November 10, 2018 at 4:45:06 PM UTC-5, Graham
Drinkell wrote:
>> I have always encouraged and allowed young capable pilots to fly
my
>> aerobatic Pilatus B4PC11AF. It now seems, insurance companies
have
>> prohibited me from allowing young enthusiastic pilots to fly my B4.
>> Aerobatic flying is a very safe sport-the pilots are more attuned
>than
>>
>> XC pilots. Most insurance claims are incurred by XC pilots with poor
>> flying skills, landing out with minimal options and damaging their
a/c.
>> At around 1500' agl you should have selected at least 3 land-out
>> options?
>> This could be the end of youth flying- killed off by the insurance

>> brokers?
>
>What country? Are there acro specifics in the policy or are they
assuming
>acro use because of glider type?
>UK-

[Graham Drinkell[_2_]]

At 22:41 10 November 2018, Eric Greenwell wrote:
wrote on 11/10/2018 1:55 PM:
>> Most insurance claims are incurred by XC pilots with poor
>> flying skills, landing out with minimal options and damaging
their a/c.
>
>What country are you flying in? My memory might be fooling me,
but I recall
>that
>more insurance claims in the US come from local flights and
ground handling
>damage
>than XC landouts.
>
>And, I don't need three landout options at 1500' - just one good
one is
>enough.
>
>--
>Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us"
to email
>me)
>- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
>
>https://sites.google.com/site/motorgliders/publications/download-
the-guide-1
>- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS,
Flarm
>
>http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/Guide-to-transponders-in-
sailplanes-2014A.pdf
>UK is a bit more compact than USA, so the more options you have
is safer? Ironically, in France, being a large country, field selection
for land-out is often tricky due to all the vineyards! Alpine flying is
another story-farmers are paid to set aside landing areas in valleys
and pilots are advised to reconnoitre these sites before flying the
mountains.

[Graham Drinkell[_2_]]

At 03:13 11 November 2018, George Haeh wrote:
>My limited sample from gliders and pilots I know:
>
>6 Ground Handling
>9 Local including 1 XC that made it back to launch point
>
>0 XC non-contest
>2 XC contest
>1 XC tow released in rotor
>If so few incidents, why are insurance brokers backing out of aviation?
Have generally great respect for young pilots, and am happy to lend
my B4 to keen competent young pilots.