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Regnirps July 20th 04 01:53 AM

(WalterM140) wrote:

Since you seem pretty familiar with this, what do you think about the

rationale
the Supreme Court used to close out the Florida recount?


My understanding is that the Court has usually deferred to state courts in
interpreting state constitutions. But here, they took the issue away from the
state court and basically declared Bush the winner.


The NYT and all the other news orgs who investigayed over the last two years
concluded that Bush would have won recounts in the areas Gore wanted recounted.
This issue is so sooo dead that anyone still carying on about it is just trying
to poison the well!

-- Charlie Springer


Steve Mellenthin July 20th 04 01:57 AM

How about a Senior Vice President Creative Supervisor with a major American
corporation with operations worldwide? How about you? Ever done anything?.


Arthur Kramer


VP level program manager in AF Aeronautical Systems Division. Worked B-1, B-2,
KC-135R, F-15, F-16, F-22, amomg others. Executive support for 3 Star
commander. Otherwise nothing at all.

WalterM140 July 20th 04 01:57 AM

The NYT and all the other news orgs who investigayed over the last two years
concluded that Bush would have won recounts in the areas Gore wanted
recounted.
This issue is so sooo dead that anyone still carying on about it is just
trying
to poison the well!


Can you source that?

Congresswoman Brown indicated that 16,000 of her constituents were not allowed
to vote at all, mooting recounts.

But I'd like you to provide a quote that the NYT said what you suggest.

Walt

Regnirps July 20th 04 02:05 AM

(Bill Shatzer) wrote in message
...

If one fired an M-79 round "too close", it would simply impact with
a thud and no "boom".

Presenting a possible problem for the ordinance disposal folks who
came along later but no particular problem for the firer.


An M406? I assume he wasn't throwing the launcher ;-) Anyway, why wouldn't a
high loft do it? Besides, they armed as close as 14 meters and the wound was a
small cut from a fragment of steel or stone. I wouldn't want to be standing up
ogling 50 feet from one of those!

-- Charlie Springer

Regnirps July 20th 04 02:11 AM

(WalterM140) wrote:

Those ******* Republicans have got to go.


Yes. Democratic Socialism is the natural evolution of politics! Now we only
have to kill half the population. Then the right wing half of whats left, then
.....


-- Charlie Springer


Regnirps July 20th 04 02:17 AM

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Art, who was the main stategy guy when you were flying?


Doolittle, I would think.


I have no idea. I just flew he missions.


Jusy wondered. I have home movies of LeMay visiting Duxford. Curious about the
evolution of his tight formation strategies and all that.

-- Charlie Springer


Regnirps July 20th 04 02:33 AM

(John S. Shinal) wrote:


The gossip is that MiG 17s are more of a fun flyer, with fewer
maintenance hours per flight hour, and an easy engine to deal with. I
think spins in the MiG 17 are unrecoverable, though.


I can tell you first hand from filming takeoffs that the MiG is REALLY LOUD!

But not as loud as when the Blue Angels took off and the two trailing planes
split right and left as soon as they were off the ground. "Here, set up right
here. You'll get a great shot. Chuckle chuckle". The left one went right over
my head - way too close to fit in the camera frame at wide angle. Ever have the
experience of actually turning into jello? I was wearing my best hearing
protectors, but it was my insides that went all rubbery :-) I remember watching
Phantom engine tests just for fu. It was nothing like this. But then this time
there were five FA-18s at once.

Poor guy's left gear was stuck down and he had to skip the show and fly to a
nearby Air Force base for a landing.

-- Charlie Springer


Regnirps July 20th 04 02:40 AM

"George Z. Bush" wrote

Unless they changed the law back in the 70s, in my day the law didn't

require
you to register if you had volunteered and were waiting for your reporting

date.
I may be wrong, but that's the way I remember it.


They called it "Inactive Reserve". My disharge shows 6 months if inactive
reserve and 18 days of active duty (I got a medal :0). Later on I got into much
more interesting "civilian" activities. But I can't tell you, you'd just laugh.

-- Charlie Springer

BUFDRVR July 20th 04 02:47 AM

How much longer would the POWs have had to wait for
repatriation?


Recent interviews with former NVN government and military officers and the
publication of certain NVN documents reveal the U.S. anti-war effort actually
encouraged NVN to continue the conflict in hopes of getting the U.S. out of the
war entirely, including support for SVN. There is no doubt that had several
congressmen (most, but not all, democrats) not openly called for congress to
cut off *all* funding for the war in SE Asia, that the NVN would not have
walked out of Paris in December 1972.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

ArtKramr July 20th 04 03:29 AM

Subject: Bush Flew Fighter Jets During Vietnam
From: (Regnirps)
Date: 7/19/2004 6:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

(ArtKramr) wrote:

Art, who was the main stategy guy when you were flying?

Doolittle, I would think.


I have no idea. I just flew he missions.


Jusy wondered. I have home movies of LeMay visiting Duxford. Curious about
the
evolution of his tight formation strategies and all that.

-- Charlie Springer


We were just a bunch ot 19 year olds who had the following priorities:

1. Perform well on the mission.

2. Get home alive

3. Get a three day pass to London or Paris.

4. Get a lot of wild wild woman to play with.

Who invented the tight formation? Never gave it a thought. We had higher
piorities. We had all of Europe at our feet. All we had to do was to figure out
what to do with it.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer



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