"Pechs1" wrote in message
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Certainly it's better to shoot them in the lips from miles away.
BRBR


BUT if you find yourself in amongst them, you better have the skill to
survive
and win. Many after getting into the F-4 thought closein fighting was dead
and
they became dead. In a multi bogey envirnment, with so many A/C looking
similar, with a VID requirement, you are going to go to the merge.

Sure you don't pull your pants down and grovel, but you had better have
the
skills to visually fight your enemy.
P. C. Chisholm
CDR, USN(ret.)
Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye
Phlyer

I didn't mean to suggest you abandon the skill (albeit in rereading my post,
that appears to be the implication). Rather, I think we don't emphasize
some of the underlying problems encountered in the "knife fight in a phone
booth" engagement.

R / John