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July 1st 04, 04:35 PM
Steve Richter
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What makes "Congress" more qualified to run an investigation than
the CIA? Can Congress get more data? Does Congress have deeper
understanding of Israel? Does Congress have better exprerts in
navies-at-war issues than the US NAvy?
1st, Congress has the legal authority to place witnesses under oath.
Other branches of government also have the right to place witnesses
under oath. E.g. a Grand jury and a Court of Inquiry.
2nd, as an equal branch of government to the executive, can demand
full access to all information known by the GOUS.
Having information, and using the information, are two different issues.
IMO Rear Admiral Isaac Kidd, and his court, had a better understanding
of navy operations in war zone than Congress does. If you diagree
then please explain why.
You call me names and then ask me questions. Hillel, is that a
typical Israeli way of interacting with others?
Naval operations are not the issue. It is the question of whether
Israel intentionally attacked the American ship, whether the GOI
withheld evidence of war crime actions by members of the IDF, and
whether some in the GOUS were complicit in the withholding of that
information.
There is good evidence the US DOS acted to prevent Adm Kidd from going
to Israel to investigate the attack as he wished. You have well
founded confidence in the Admiral. Why would the US DOS, acting
presumably without objection by LBJ and McNamara, act to overrule the
Admiral's judgement and not allow the NCOI to go to Israel?
The coverup of the coverup continues to this day. Last year at the
DOS sponsored seminar the history of the SDW, DOS historian Marc
Susser does not appear to have released any documents regarding DOS
involvement in the NCOI proceedings. Susser then limited to mere
minutes the time for questions from the audience to the Liberty
panelists. He said he had to go to lunch! When Liberty crewman
Lentini was trying to ask Michael Oren about his assertion that the
initial attack jets first circled the Liberty before Yahweh sent them
in for the kill, Susser cut him off!
Thirdly, and most
important, the US Congress owns Israel from the perspective that it
authorizes the billions of $$ each year that the US gives to Israel to
conduct its brutal occupation of the palestinian territories. The
Congress could, if it wanted, force Israel to release what it knows.
Do you really believe that Israel could keep such a secret, involving
so many people for 37 years?
Heck, Hillel. I am of the opinion that Israel has kept secret the
full extent of its planning to take the WB from Jordan as part of the
inevitable conflict between Israel and the arab states. Israel must
have anticipated the marked increase in terror attacks from pratically
zero before the occupation to what has occured after. There must have
been some in the GOI who did not think that more land for Israel was
worth the price of those killed by insurgent attacks.
To this day, Israel refuses to release crucial facts of the attack on
the American ship.
And the source of your information is...?
How do you know what deals Israel made with the US?
Do you want Congress also to publish other information that the
US promised to keep secret? (E.g. the condition to US inspections
is Dimona was that the US would keep the information secret.
Should the US ignore its promise just because it will serve
better your political agenda?)
This is one item amoung many where Israel's explanations do not answer
legitimate questions about the attack. What did the Israeli coastal
radar net see when its operators looked at the Liberty?
What "Israel coastal radar net" in 1967?!
Where did you get that idea?
Don't you know that in 1967 the Israeli "navy" was a collection
of WWII quality small ships?
Israel had a couple of old naval radars, near its bigget navy
bases (Haifa and Ashdod), but it did not have a radar that could
look over the horizon.
How were the IAF controllers able to direct the Kursa attack jets to
the Liberty? Was it Yahweh or radar?
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KURSA: Homeland, keep on directing me to the place
Homeland: 045[o], 20 miles. Ah, can you see them at the moment?
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KURSA: Affirmative, it looks longer by eyesight.
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Kislev: Does he see more torpedo boats north of him?
The public has been told how the Israeli Naval command forgot it knew
of the American spy ship Liberty the morning of 8 June, hours before
it ordered the attack.
What an *IGNORANT* like you can't get is simple navy fighting facts.
If you want to sink a ship using 1967 airplanes then you used
half iron bombs, just like the US did in Midway. If you want to
sink a ship, and cover your ass, then you use submarines, not
torpedo boats that display your flag.
Hillel, you can call me all the names you want, ( according to Israel
Shahak, the Talmud instructs Jews to have all sorts of hostility
toward Gentiles ) but if you are going to respond to my post, you
should not waste time by skipping my central assertions and questions.
First, no one knows for sure what the Israelis intended to do with
the Liberty. Maybe they just wanted to drive the ship away, maybe it
was just a local operation by IDF commanders concerned their killing
of Egyptian prisoners was being witnessed by the American spy ship.
It appears no one knows for sure. That is why Israel has to release
its evidence. ( and why Adm Kidd was justified in wanting to bring the
NCOI to Israel )
I notice you did not respond to my question the involvement of IDF
COS Rabin and IAF CDF Hod. According to Israel friendly SDW historian
Michael Oren, those two were in on the conversations with the Kursa
jets as they approached the Liberty. Yet surely, hours prior, they
must have been told of the 0800 identification of the American spy
ship. Hillel, who cares what your opinion is. Why does Jay Cristol,
author of the book "their blood in the water", ignore and gloss over
the entire subject of how the IAF knew of the presence of the Liberty
at 0800 on 8 June but collectively forgot this knowledge 6 hours later
at 1400 attack time?
-Steve
Steve Richter