"Ron Natalie" wrote in message om...

Let me be more exact. The PA-28-150 and PA-28-160 are NOT
certficated in the utility category, hence no spins. The PA-28-151
and PA-28-161 are certificated in the utility category.

The PA-28-140, -180, -181 are certificated in the utility category

For those models that are certificated with for utility category operations.
1. You have to get the CG in the utility envelope.
2. You have to not have the 2150 gross weight increase.on the -140.
3. There is a serial number limit on the -180 for utility category operations.
4. You can only use the two front seats.

Very interesting! Now I'm going to have to go back and check my
logbook. I was pretty sure they were 150/160s that I'd spun (and now
I'm not). They had the placard with manuever entry speeds, including
spins, in the utility category.

Odd that the 150/160 would not be certified in the utility category
and the -180 is. They're basically the same airframe. Where did you
get the above info? TCDS?

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)