David,

Thanks for the advice, I will certainly look at some other make / model
planes. It makes a lot of sense.

I think a partnership would be the best way for me to start, but I haven't
been able to find any in my area, so I decided to look at buying one myself.

The Piper Cherokee Warrior you purchased sounds very useful. Right now I
am looking for something to build time in, have fun, and work on my
instrument rating. But, down the road something simliar to the Warrior is
what I would like, with the good payload and speed, for a decent price.

Thanks again.

If anyone knows of partnerships forsale in the Raleigh, NC area, I would
appreciate the info.

Tom
"David Megginson" wrote in message
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"Tom Hyslip" writes:

I am looking to purchase my first plane, and would like an early 80s
Cessna 152. How much should I consider the fair market price for
one in descent shape, that is ready to fly? Also, any idea how much
insurance would be for a C152. I only have around 50 hours, a very
new pilot, and I love it.

The 152 is a great plane, from everything I've heard, but it's worth
considering other options to make sure that you get what you want.
Here are some considerations:

1. There are some four-seat planes, like the Piper Cherokee 140 and
Beech Musketeer, that are in about the same price range as a 152
(both for buying and flying), but go faster and carry more.

2. Buying a used plane is often the cheapest part of ownership --
insurance, maintenance, fuel, parking, etc. will burn through a
fair bit of money every year. If you are looking at a 152 because
money is tight, you might want to get your feet wet with a
partnership first, where you can share some fixed expenses.

I started out looking for a Cessna 172 or similar, because that's what
I trained it. I initially ruled out Cherokees right at the start
because they have only a single door, and because I didn't know much
about them. Fortunately, after trying out a Cardinal that I didn't
like much, I happened to notice a Piper Cherokee Warrior II for sale,
and looking at it in person got rid of most of my prejudices --
compared to the (fixed-gear) Cardinal I had just test flown, it had
better avionics, better paint and interior, a higher useful load,
faster airspeed, lower fuel burn, *and* a significantly lower price
(precisely because everyone who trains in Cessnas wants to buy a
Cessna, driving up the used prices).

Now, with under 8 gph fuel burn at 75% power (8.5 gph by the POH) and
roughly the same systems to maintain, the plane doesn't cost much more
to operate than a 150/152, but it cruises much faster (well over 120
ktas) and with a full-fuel useful load around 650 lb, it can carry my
whole family of four + luggage + dog.

I'm not suggesting that a Cherokee is the right first plane for you
just because it was for me, but I am suggesting that you not
automatically buy the kind of plane you trained in. It's a big
investment, so look around a while and make sure. Personally, I'm
glad that I overcame my own initial prejudices against non-Cessnas.


All the best,


David