On Wed, 29 Oct 2003 13:52:10 -0600, "Montblack"
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And I enjoy your attempts at information Larry :-)

Thank you.

If you'll take the time to read the charter of this newsgroup , you'll
note the first word is 'information' not 'jocularity', but pertinent
INFORMATION.

The charter of rec.aviation.piloting is:


************************************************** **************************
* Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft
* which would not fall into one of the other non-misc
* rec.aviation groups. Topics include, but are not limited to
* flying skills, interesting sights, destinations, flight
* characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations, handling
* emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
* flights, customs and immigration, experiences with ground
* support facilities, etc.

************************************************** **************************

Perhaps it's time to charter a new newsgroup:
rec.aviation.hangar-flying. We could post a Request For Discussion in
the rec.aviation.* hierarchy. Just a thought. And then those who
thrive on frivolity can have a place all their own to share their
pearls with each other. We could imposed an X-Archive=no header
requirement for articles posted to rec.aviation.hangar-flying, so that
the articles would be excluded from the public archive. Perhaps you'd
be willing to shoulder the task of drafting a charter for the proposed
newsgroup.

I see the intended content of rec.aviation.piloting more as an
informational resource and news exchange medium among responsible
airmen, than a hee-haw party line despite the fact that many would
prefer to reduce it to that. The choice is ours.

I was at a banquet Saturday night talking with the guy who organized the
National Air Tour. He mostly flew the Pilatus support plane. Talk about
funny stories - he's got some about the tour. ...but those stories are not
welcome here no more. :-(

Your self-imposed restraint is noted (despite your double-negative).

Perhaps the substance of the "guys" talk would be a more appropriate
subject for you to share with us in this PUBLIC forum.

This isn't a PhD dissertation newsgroup, it's a hangar flying newsgroup.

What you overlook is the PUBLIC nature of usenet in general (which is
publicly archived for posterity), and specifically the image of pilots
the lay public carries away from reading rec.aviation.piloting.
Again, the choice is ours.

In this time, when GA is being singled out as an expendable "kick dog"
by those bureaucracies in charge of national security, the military,
and airlines, ..., I believe it is in the best interest of all airmen
to put forth to the public our best face, our sober dedication to
responsibility and professionalism, rather than portray ourselves the
as frivolous clowns recklessly cavorting over the heads of the
ground-bound public as the media continually attempt.

Perhaps we should all consider how what we're about to post reflects
on our fellows. My fear is, that if we fail to police ourselves,
restrictive measures will be arbitrarily imposed upon us by those with
the power to advance their own agenda. Please, let's don't give them
any ammunition here.

I realize that my views will likely be ridiculed by those who are
incapable of understanding the issue, and those who thrive on chaos
and frivolity. That is the price I will pay for speaking up for what
I believe is right. I choose to personally suffer those "slings and
arrows" if it will in any way stem the loss of our right to navigate
the skies.

I can see that you are capable of willing restraint by your decision
to refrain from publicly posting the "funny stories" you mentioned
above. Thank you.

For our own good, I would strongly urge all airmen to emphasize our
sober dedication to responsible airmanship when in view of the public
as we are in this publicly archived forum.




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The charter of rec.aviation.piloting is:


************************************************** **************************
* Information pertinent to pilots of general aviation aircraft
* which would not fall into one of the other non-misc
* rec.aviation groups. Topics include, but are not limited to
* flying skills, interesting sights, destinations, flight
* characteristics of aircraft, unusual situations, handling
* emergencies, working with air traffic control, international
* flights, customs and immigration, experiences with ground
* support facilities, etc.

************************************************** **************************


================================================== ============================
N.B. articles relevant to wanting to learn to fly, learning
to fly, initially obtaining a medical certificate,
instructional techniques, textbooks, videotapes, written
and flight tests, etc. belong in rec.aviation.student
and not in this group! [rec.aviation.piloting]

================================================== ============================

! Please note that many articles get posted to
! rec.aviation.piloting which should be posted to
! rec.aviation.misc, and vice-versa. For reference, the charter
! of rec.aviation.misc is:
!
! In case there are things which didn't get "caught" by the
! other groups, rec.aviation.misc provides a home for these
! other topics. An example would be posts on commercial
! airliners and ultralights which, for the moment, do not have
! their own home.

There are now many separate subgroups on rec.aviation; if the
charter above doesn't match the content of the article you're
posting (or you're following up), please consider one of the other
groups as a more appropriate forum:

rec.aviation.aerobatics Aerobatics and unusual attitude
flying
* rec.aviation.announce Events of interest to the aviation
community
* rec.aviation.answers Frequently asked questions about
aviation
rec.aviation.hang-gliding Hang-gliding, paragliding,
foot-launched flight
rec.aviation.homebuilt Selecting, designing, building, and
restoring aircraft
rec.aviation.ifr Flying under Instrument Flight Rules
rec.aviation.marketplace Aviation classifieds
rec.aviation.military Military aircraft of the past,
present and future
rec.aviation.military.naval Discussion of Naval Aviation
subjects
rec.aviation.misc Miscellaneous topics in aviation
rec.aviation.owning Information on owning airplanes
rec.aviation.piloting General discussion for aviators
rec.aviation.products Reviews and discussion of products
for pilots
rec.aviation.restoration Forum for debate on aircraft
restoration
rec.aviation.rotorcraft Helicopters and other rotary wing
aircraft
rec.aviation.simulators Flight simulation on all levels
rec.aviation.soaring All aspects of sailplanes and
hang-gliders
* rec.aviation.stories Anecdotes of flight experiences
rec.aviation.student Learning to fly
rec.aviation.ultralight Light aircraft in general, all
topics
rec.aviation.balloon Hot air and gas balloons and
airships
rec.aviation.powerchutes Safety and operation of powered
parachutes

[newsgroups marked by * are moderated groups]

A common question is "what should I do if an article spans the
charters of two or more groups?" The answer is cross-posting. If
you have an article which clearly crosses the boundaries of
several groups, you should post a **single** copy of the article
to **all** of the relevant groups. Don't post separate copies to
each group. Most modern newsreaders will display the article
exactly once to the reader -- in the first group in which it is
encountered and read.

If you feel that the replies should be directed to a subset of the
groups to which you are submitting your post, be sure to include a
line of the form "Followup-to: groupname" in the header of your
message. See the header of this message for an example.

If you are replying to a cross-posted article and your reply is
germane to only a subset of the original groups, please ensure
that you check the Newsgroups: line to remove unnecessary groups.
If the reply is germane to all the groups in which the article was
originally posted, try to ensure that all the groups are listed in
the Newsgroups: line. Some older newsreaders cause a reply to go
only to the group which is currently being read.

Use cross-posting sparingly. If an article "90% belongs" in one
group and "10% belongs" in another, post it only to the first
group.

Geoff