Newps wrote in message news:mENrb.161019$Tr4.433525@attbi_s03...
The hold lines mean absolutely nothing to ATC. The only thing that
matters is that you didn't actually get onto the runway, past the solid
white line. It is a quirk of the FAA about the hold lines and the
runway safety area. Air Traffic only cares about the solid white line.
Don't cross that and we don't care. Airports Division cares about the
runway safety area, which is defined by the hold short lines on the
taxiway and usually some kind of markers in the grass alongside the
runways at I think 150 feet from the centerline.


That's interesting. It would seem that all of the tower controllers
out there do not know this. I've witnessed more than one go around
instigated by a tower because another plane was just over the hold
short bars (but not on the runway proper). Just a few weeks ago I
heard the tower telling a student pilot that he could not land any
more traffic on the runway until the student moved his airplane 3 ft.
to clear the bars.

To be fair, I've only noticed this hyper-picky behavior since the FAA
started that runway incursion program several years back.

John Galban=====N4BQ (PA28-180)