Roger

EKM listed what he was told as a student. Those figures are of course
very conservative but used to get an individual up and flying in a
safe manner. As one get more time in the air and more experience, he
can adjust them quite a bit and still survive.

All in all I agree with what you said so put me on the plus side :O)

Tail wind on base.
Overshooting final.
Slow in final turn or on final are things to be avoided or you under
stand how to handle them.

Slip, airspeed and G's are all interrelated to safe flying especially
in the pattern.

Big John


On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:43:27 GMT, "Roger Long"
om wrote:

I used to keep my pattern turns to 15 degrees and could fly tight, make the
airfield if the engine quits, patterns with no problem. Not all planes will
do this but a 172 and a 152 will. Now that I have more experience, I go up
to 25 but keep to 20 most of the time.

Everything else you wrote, I agree with.

A good rule for the original poster to drill in his head:

If you overshoot the turn to final, take your eyes off the runway, look at
the instruments, nail the 20 degree bank angle, keep the ball centered, and
stabilize the airspeed at the proper number for the plane. Just hold that
until you are almost on the extension line and then turn on to final.
You'll be amazed in most cases how much room there is left to the threshold.
Focusing on the aircraft attitude instead of being late in the turn will
help avoid getting slow and when you overshoot.

If you did make your turn too close, getting back on centerline will get you
set up for a proper go around.