"Bob Noel" wrote in message
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But I would love to discuss this with someone who thinks
that honesty, integrity, and moral are not important characteristics
of the best leaders.

First you need to define "best". Personally, I'd agree with you that I'd
like for my leaders to have those characteristics. However, IMHO societies
in general have a poor track record selecting leaders with those qualities,
and it could be argued that leaders without those qualities are capable of
serving those they lead better.

It depends a lot on what the leader is expected to do, and how they are
expected to do it.

Pete