"Bob Noel" wrote:
But I would love to discuss this with someone who thinks
that honesty, integrity, and moral are not important
characteristics of the best leaders. I am very interested in
what characteristics they think make the best leaders (which,'
of course, also wouldn't have any bearing on what actually
does make the best leaders...now my head hurts.)

Mine too.
Especially since what you mean by "best" is so debateable. If you mean
"most able to sway the masses" then a great gift of gab makes a great
leader, e.g. Adolph Hitler, Winston Churchill and Ronald Reagan (no, I'm
not saying they are morally equivalent).

My choice for a "best" leader would be Abe Lincoln, who lead his country
through a war and a difficult moral struggle with honesty and dignity --
and he wasn't bad in the gift of gab department, either.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM