Ignore Tenerife for the moment. John Harper said that in Europe, the word
"cleared" was no longer used except for takeoff clearances. In your reply,
you said, in so many words, that nothing similar had been done in the US. My
post was intended to point out that something has indeed been done in the
US.

Bob Gardner

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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From 3-7-1 in the Air Traffic Control Handbook:

"b. Do not use the word "cleared" in conjunction with authorization for
aircraft to taxi or equipment/vehicle/personnel operations. Use the
prefix
"taxi," "proceed," or "hold," as appropriate, for aircraft instructions
and
"proceed" or "hold" for equipment/vehicles/personnel."

That is fine Bob, but immaterial.
The Tenerife crash invovled the KLM flight being in position in hold.
The
first officer called in saying they were "ready for their ATC clearance."
What he got back was an IFR clearance"
"Cleared to Papa Beacon ...

This exact same thing would happen today at many US airports (let's avoid
going back to the clearance on request discussion).

3-7-1 doesn't seem to have done anything to alleviate what happened at
Tenerife.