On 29 Jan 2004 12:14:11 -0800, (WaltBJ) wrote:

Interesting fact: A DC10-30, no slats, no flaps, eats up more runway
than a Bone in the same configuration. Our Flight Manual stated it
could not be stopped on any commercial runway in the USA. Even more
interesting is that an F104A could be stopped in 3000 feet (using the
chute) if there was no crosswind (the ailerons were weak at 135 KIAS).
Walt BJ


There are many runways that a DC10-30 can land on with no slats, so
flaps.

The Vref / Vga / Vma speeds for example would be as follows:

Landing weight 290,000 lbs : 178 / 195 / 202
Landing weight 411,000 lbs : 211 / 232 / 241