"Maule Driver" wrote in message
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Except in this case, the "remain clear" was issued before a
VFR departure and is meaningless.


Why is it meaningless? What gives you the idea that an aircraft cannot be
told to remain clear of Class C airspace prior to departure?



Conversely, if the ATC and the pilot established radio
contact with tail number ID included *just before departure*, it does not
mean that the pilot is cleared to depart and enter the Class C.


Why not?



That radio contact and it's implied clearance is equally meaningless. The
communications aren't meaningful until the pilot is in flight.


Why is it meaningless? It meets the entry requirements.