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Old February 16th 04, 05:55 AM
Steven P. McNicoll
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"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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What "several calls"?


The several calls to the aircraft from the controller he had established
communications with and who had told him to remain clear. Once the workload
or traffic conditions that had prevent immediate provision of Class C
services were under control the controller would have called the aircraft so
he could provide the requested services. Those calls.



It's not your hypothetical situation; you don't get to pick and choose the
specifics. The person posing the hypothetical situation does.


Sorry. I assumed it was a realistic hypothetical. My mistake.



Says who?


Says me.



Who knows what the controller did or did not do, except that
controller?


I know what controllers do.



So your claim is that the question of whether two-way radio
contact suffices to allow entry into the Class C hinges on whether
there's a flight strip?


Nope.



How in the world is the pilot to know whether a flight strip exists or

not?


He wouldn't, nor is it relevant to the pilot.



That's not the sort of thing ATC is regularly reporting to us.


As far as you understand.



What about the pilot who is told to remain clear, but who never gets a
flight strip in the first place?


What about him?



What if the strip is discarded (for whatever reason) before two-way
radio contact is made? Even if only a short period of time has passed?
How is the pilot to know that they may enter the Class C, since they
won't know the status of the flight strip, whether it
ever existed, and whether it still exists?


The pilot should know that he may not enter Class C airspace because radio
contact has not been made.



There is no way for the pilot to know whether a flight strip still exists,
therefore the existence of the flight strip is completely irrelevant to

the
question of whether the pilot may enter the Class C or not.


Exactly.



A controller
might think it's completely black and white -- since after all, they have
the strip right in front of them or they don't -- but that controller

would
be an idiot for thinking so, failing to comprehend that they only have

half
the equation.


Why are you fixated on the strip? The strip has nothing to do with entering
Class C airspace. What made you think it did?