Howdy!

In article .net,
Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Michael Houghton" wrote in message
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I've provided better citations of documents than you have.


You haven't cited any document that supports your position.

You refuse to accept a plain reading of the citations I've provided, and
you have failed to cite any prescriptive documents that support your
position.


If you are a controller, then I presume you have access to the documents
that prescribe the phraseology you are to use, and perhaps define the
terms.
Pray cite them as they support your claim.

If you can't or won't, you imply that you have no case.


You're right. There is no prescribed phraseology to authorize entry to
Class C airspace once an aircraft has been instructed to remain clear.
Therefore once an aircraft has been instructed to remain outside it can
never enter that Class C airspace.

(You've demonstrated you do not understand logic, one wonders if you
understand sarcasm.)

You do a good job of summarizing your apparent position.

Pray cite your source for that claim.

The definition of "established" and simple logic.

I didn't see a citation of definitions explaining just how the word is
meant to be construed in the context of its usage in FAR 91.130(c)1. I
did see a lengthy extract from a general dictionary of the English
language. That, however, is not prescriptive, but descriptive. The
dictionary citation lists a number of senses of meaning for the word.
Which one are they using in the FARs and 7110.65?

Quoting the dictionary meaning of a word typically amounts to willful
obfuscation, especially when the quote includes all the various senses.
It does not shed light on the question at hand. It stirs up the mud.

Unfortunately for your claims, 7110.65 is pretty clear. I've cited the
relevant paragraph; you seem to have rejected it. Sad.

yours,
Michael

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