Thanks for all the help. I have been playing with the new toy a lot, setting up routes and so on for the big trip.

1st - I let it 'cook' to load the almanac. I had had it on for a period of time but quite possibly the unit was blanked often
enough that it never actually got a good download.

2nd - Garmin sent a new antenna. Works much better but the remote is still better, naturally.

This is one awesome gadget. I flew some behind a 430 (VFR) and read a good portion of the 430's manual. There isn't much that the
430 would do that the 196 can't. In fact, I find the 196 is more configurable. I get 10 data fields instead of 4. I still love the
color on the 430, but the 196 makes up for it by being portable. I was part owner of the 430 in the winter and never got as
comfortable, even using the computer simulator, as I already am on the 196. If you can work either one, you are 95% of the way there
on the other.

Bottom line, with the remote antenna, this thing is the bomb. It works decently with the stick, even yoke mounted in a 172, but if
you really want a handheld to use in the woods, buy a handheld to use in the woods unless you want to clamp the wire to your hat. In
fact I have one picked out.

And if you want to make your 430 or 196 more intuitive, check out the recent article in Aviation Safety.

Mike Z

"Mike Z." wrote in message hlink.net...
Like a lot of folks here, I debated between the Garmin 295, 196 and the Anywhere Map from Control Vision. I badly wanted a color
unit but couldn't see buying the 295 because it has to be due for replacement. Witness the nice, non battery eating screens of the
new Street Pilot and the 76C handhelds.

Well, with a little trip coming up, I couldn't wait for the new units to trickle down so I ordered the Anywhere Map. Pretty cool
for
$1350 with a cordless and a couple goodies. But then I immediately set about trying to figure out how to keep the thing charged on
an extended trip without getting the cigar lighter reconnected. Double drat, this is dumb, so I cancelled that order and sent for
a
196 from Aircraft Spruce.

It is still cold here so I was playing with the thing in the house and didn't expect it to work inside. Finally after attempting
to
use the unit in the car, I became suspicious when I did 6 touch and goes and in spite of pretty good initial readings, it only
recorded 2 flights 1/10hr out of the 6. So I started comparing the performance to my 6 year old GPS II+.

As it turns out, the 196 works pretty darn good with the remote antenna. Almost but not quite as good as the 6 year old II+.

As it also turns out, I can get the sats better with binocs than it does with the stick antenna. Example: this morning, I tried
both
units one in each hand this morning, the old handheld had a 3D lock and 6 birds almost full scale in 45 seconds. The 196 had only
2 -1/2 scale open bars after 3 minutes and showed no signs of acquiring more. I had to leave for work and still no lock.

Is this as good as I can expect? The Garmin guy I talked to said the stick should work as well but didn't seem to interested that
it
didn't work out that way.

Incidentally, from the top of a 12 story building yesterday, it had 6 sats but took over 15 minutes before it found WAAS on one on
the stick. With the remote it had a D on all 6 in a couple minutes and almost full scale.

Mike Z