"Teacherjh" wrote in message
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The idea is to make life easier, not to make life "not that much harder".


You don't think identifying the locations of ASR on the sectional makes life
just a bit easier?



From this pilot's perspective, looking one place for info is easier
than looking several places.


Explain.



Redundancy is sometimes a good idea (the quadrant altitudes
are redundant, but quite handy).


Redundancy? What has that to do with this discussion?



True, there are tradeoffs (chart clutter, the needs of other chart
users, and the effort involved in charting more symbols);
I'm just addressing one side of it.


And yet you advocate adding clutter to the chart, clutter that provides no
information.



I don't know. An ASR approach maybe?


Why would a pilot on a VFR cross country be interested in an ASR approach?



(Yes, I got and learned from your reply that ASR appraches
aren't always available at an ASR site) But, IF there's a
symbol that says I can get "stuff" somewhere, I'd like to know
what "stuff" I can get.


The R symbol identifies a radar facility, radar facilities provide radar
services. Are you unfamiliar with radar services?



Then I can decide whether I want it, and whether the symbol really
gave me any useful inforamtion. When I want VFR advisories
(whether I'm landing at those airports or not), I call approach or
center and ask for them, symbol or no symbol. Should I do
differently?


Calling approach requires you to know there's an approach, the symbol tells
you there's an approach control providing radar services.



I pretty much agree here. Symbol clutter is already getting out of hand.


And yet you advocate more of it.




For flight following, I jsut call them, R or no R.


How do you know they're there to be called?



What is the difference between the airspace IN an ARSA, the
airspace nearby but OUTSIDE an ARSA, and the airspace
outside ARSA, C, and B, but "near" an (R)?

I suspect: ARSA, C, and B provide =separation= to certain
participating aircraft (of varying levels) and the (R) provides
advisories but no separation.


You mean TRSA, not ARSA, ARSAs became Class C airspace over ten years ago.

The differences were explained about ten days ago. All aircraft are
separated in Class B airspace. VFR aircraft are separated from IFR and
other VFR aircraft in a TRSA, but participation is voluntary. VFR aircraft
are separated only from IFR aircraft in Class C airspace, but participation
is mandatory. All aircraft are sequenced to the primary airport in Class C
airspace, not so in a TRSA. An approach control without Class B or Class C
airspace or a TRSA does not normally provide separation to VFR aircraft.