In pacplyer wrote:
Del, in trying to figure out "what's reasonable" I try not to focus
on, what IMHO is a small dispute.
It started over a small dispute but it hasn't been about that in a long
time.
If this thing was about someone
getting killed in an improperly built homebuilt that others could buy,
then I would agree with you: that individual should be ruthlessly
cross-examined and verbally expelled by the group.
Since when am I trying to get somebody expelled from the group? Even if
I wanted such a thing it is technically unfeasible to accomplish.
What I object to
here is the dishonest second identities that are created with the sole
objective of getting even with someone who is disliked.
I object to that also, along with anonymous posting in general.
"Carburetor Bob" would come out and use one of the identities he has
always used and say: "foul language and social skills are more
important here than building time and flying experience,"
Having more building time and flying experience doesn't give anybody
license to treat other people like ****, either. Occasionally over the
last 2 years I've had to deal with a guy who is an A&P/IA but is also a
complete asshole who thinks he is god's gift to aviation. He could
probably teach me a lot about building and restoring aircraft but to me,
the price of admission is just too high. Now that I don't have to deal
with him anymore I won't. There are just too many people with equal or
better experience who don't have a need to treat less experienced people
like ****.
or "I feel
Bill's reached the point were I demand satisfaction" then I would
probably give it some weight and respect him for being a good
regulator of this unmoderated NG. BWB and Bob could go out to a
cornfield and dogfight to the death. But cheap shots don't cut it.
Well, unfortunately our society has seen fit to outlaw the time honored
tradition of duelling.
I realize this NG started out as a flying social. No reason that
shouldn't continue.
The newsgroup has always been about homebuilding but also includes a
social aspect that occasionally gets out of hand. I don't really want
to change that and have in the past argued against such a change.
I'm just pointing out that in my opinion, neither
you Del, or me pac have got the homebuilding experience credentials to
expel a guy like BWB.
Credentials or not, neither of us are trying to expel him, and could not
do so even if we wanted. I've actually gotten a lot of value out of
Bill's postings over the time that I've been here. I'm just tired of
the bull**** that always seems to surround him.
Now with my background as an A&P and a ME
instructor, if BWB started bragging in a serious manner that he was
making downwind takeoffs or takeoffs with one engine feathered out of
annual, then yes, it'd be up to me to try and run off a person like
that to prevent new pilots, who might read this board and
misunderstand and try the same thing.
Well, any new pilot dumb enough to try those things based on reading
about them on the internet probably deserves to be removed from the gene
pool, preferably before he/she earns their private and is allowed to
carry passengers. But as far as running somebody off, you can't do that
anyway, since there is no mechanism by which you can force them to stop
posting. You can call them an irresponsible buffoon and they may
voluntarily leave, but there isn't much you can do to actually make
somebody go, no matter how badly each of us might want that ability at
times.
And yes, if somebody's trying
to hawk a real widow-maker he should be brought out for x-rays by
potential buyers like me. But if it's about who's acting like an
eccentric Howard Hughes, it's not relevant and I suggest you filter
him if you don't like it. Underhanded stabs in the back only make
free speech advocates like me view the BWB and Zoom witch hunts with
suspicion and contempt.
So tell me, whose free speech is being restricted here, and who have I
stabbed in the back? And although I am not interested in discussing him
at this time, I suggest you need to do a little more research on Zoom in
order to understand exactly WHY he has generated such a negative
response here.
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