Hi Phil;

I'm not giving you a hard time on this Phil. I just sound that way
because I'm old and hate lawyers!! :-))

I understand what you're saying about solving the problem and indeed, it
does need addressing just as you say. I'm afraid I'm totally unqualified
to speak to that issue, and I seriously doubt if it will be addressed by
anyone in the government with the power to correct it since most of them
are part of the problem. The rest of the problem is the general, who
NEVER seem to be able to get organized enough to attack things like
this.
It all comes around in one big gigantic circle of corruption ? What's
indicative to me anyway is that the issue itself could become the fatal
flaw in a capitalistic system; the flaw that brings down the economy of
the country around our own ears.
So in the end I'm with you. I know what the problem is, and I have
absolutely no idea on how to fix it. Could be we're looking at the
ultimate doomsday machine for big business in the United States....the
American Trial Lawyer.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Commercial Pilot/ CFI Retired
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"Philip Sondericker" wrote in message
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in article , Dudley
Henriques at wrote on 7/17/04 12:46 PM:


I hardly think that recognizing a problem exists without forcing the
general public into a scientifically provable analysis that they
can't
hope to produce is being vague. I don't need the world to fall on me
to
know that lawyers are a problem in the United States. I only need my
two
eyes, two ears, and my natural intelligence as that applies to
deductive
reasoning. :-)

That's all very well, Dudley, and like you, I am well aware that we
live in
a highly litigious society where people are all too often rewarded for
spurious claims and lawsuits. Trust me, it drives me nuts. But this
realization brings us no closer to solving the problem.

It's a flawed premise I think to demand that a problem doesn't exist
just because individuals without access can't produce these "facts".

I have never stated that a problem doesn't exist.

It's also flawed to demand that people know how to fix the problem
they
know exists.

I have made no such demand. I have simply asked for definitions of the
problem.

But recognizing that a problem exists is the first step in fixing
it.

Correct. And the second step, as I've repeatedly stated, is to arrive
at a
useful and working definition of that problem. Otherwise, how will
anything
ever get done?

Okay, I'll get us started:

1. "Frivolous" shall be defined as any claim that causes a majority of
those
hearing about it for the first time to slap the palms of their hands
against
their foreheads and exclaim, "You've got to be kidding!".