On 29 Aug 2004 04:14:44 GMT, (WIACapt) wrote:

From: (Robert M. Gary)

In my Mooney I'll often begin my
let down 40-50 miles out (although I'm flying a bit higher than you
mention here in this post). In the Mooney its fun because you can keep

I was lined up on the glide slope at Port Columbus. The instructor
told me to take the foggles off and look to my left. There off our
wind was a 737 and it was staying in position, that is until we hit
the outer marker and I lowered the gear. :-))

up with the biz jets as long as you don't level off.

-Robert

Those Mooneys must really be fast

Figure 200 MPH. That is 3.33 miles per minute. At a 500 fpm rate of
descent you need 3.33 miles for each 500 foot, so IF you want to
descend from 7000 to 3000 it will take 4000/500 = 8*3.33, or 26.64
miles. From 9000 to 3000 is 6000/500 = 12*3.33, or basically 40
miles. BUT you also have to slow down. I have to slow from 200 MPH to
120 MPH and that takes a good mile in level flight. A lot more while
coming down hill. OTOH leveling off AND a power reduction will get me
there in 2 miles, but 3 gives a comfortable margin.

The FAF for the VOR - A into 3BS is 5.5 NM out and figuring I need to
be down and slowed down comfortably before the FAF I'd figure a
minimum of 3 miles. So 5.5 + 3 + 40 would mean I'd have to start down
48.5 miles out. OTOH 180 is 3 miles per minute so from 9000 to 3000 =
12 * 3 = 36 miles to get down and 5.5 + 3 or 44.5 miles.

Figuring 120 MPH and 2 miles per minute would change that to 12 * 2 =
24 miles to get down and 3 + 5.5 or 32.5 miles including the
approach.

At 200 MPH I'd still have to start down soon enough to be at pattern
altitude and slowed to pattern entry speed to safely enter the
pattern. That would only let me nock off 3 or 4 miles compared to the
instrument approach.

The Mooney OTOH has to slow even more to get the gear down so although
he can go like a bat coming down hill it's going to take him longer to
get that slippery airplane slowed to gear down speed. So he is going
to need to start down even farther out than I do.

They aren't kidding when they say you have to learn to think much
farther ahead when flying a high performance retract.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com