One Nation Under Surveillance, Loosing All Our Liberty's and No Real Justice
For Anyone Unless Your A Politician!


"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
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How long do you think before all pilots wind up on some
"watch list". Maybe we already are....


"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
...
Did you notice that in the local news coverage of the Oregon attorney
who
was incorrectly tabbed as a terrorist in the Spanish train bombing, it
was
stated that he had taken flight lessons? Oh, the horror!!!

Bob Gardner

"David Brooks" wrote in message
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"Peter MacPherson" wrote in message
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I have a question....

Since this is for "training", "alien" CFI's are exempt since we're
doing
the
training? I'm an "alien" CFI and if I understand this, I don't have to
send
anything to the TSA for myself, just fellow aliens that are seeking
training.
BUT, if I were to seek additional training, I would have to send the
TSA
the required doc. Or when I need a BFR(which is training), I would
need
to comply with this nonsense. I called AOPA with this question and
they
don't have an answer yet.

My reply from Ian Twombly at AOPA says they understand flight review
and
instrument refresher are included, although they don't fit the model of
"applying for a course of training". By "refresher" I think he referred
to
my question about "three and a hold", not just IPC.

Actually, the whole model adopted by the rule is that you go to a
school,
apply for training, finish it, and you're done. I think of myself as a
customer of the flight school who must happens to be taking lessons
towards
my Commercial, with occasional too-long layoffs, and with the
occasional
FR
or instrument refresher thrown in.

The $130 doesn't include the estimated $75 cost of fingerprinting.

The TSA has foiled the terrorists once again!! All those terrorists
that
are about to start their IFR training will now be captured by the
TSA!!
And here I thought this agency were just a bunch of nitwits.....
- )



"David Brooks" wrote in message
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I've lived in this country for many years, paid my taxes, been a
schoolteacher and a Scout leader, and now this:


http://dms.dot.gov/search/searchResu...hTy pe=docket.
The restrictions recently placed on 12500 training is being
extended
to
all
aircraft. TSA claims that Congress mandated it, and maybe we were
all
asleep
when that happened. The rule is already in effect; the documentation
and
security training requirements kick in Oct 20.

Faced with the requirement to send the TSA all the identifying
information,
finding someone to fingerprint me and figuring out how to get the
prints
filed, and paying $130 for the privilege - well, I wonder if the
Commercial
certificate is worth it. I did also have vague ideas of becoming an
elderly
instructor; forget that.

Now, I know that sounds like special pleading, and Big Brother
already
has
my fingerprints in my Resident Alien file so no big deal, and $130
is
less
than an hour of training, but right now it's looking like the final
straw.
And it's bull**** on the face of it. Residents have already
undergone
deep
security investigations. If everyone reacts like me, the result will
be
less-well-trained pilots mixing it up with the rest of you in the
sky.
Is
the BFR considered training under the rule (part 61 calls it
instruction)?
If so, the clock is ticking in any case. One justification in the
rule
says
that the 9/11 terrorists learned to fly small planes, but there's no
logic
provided to support restrictions on existing certified pilots who
want
more
advanced ratings.

I mailed AOPA, I'll add these comments to the docket. I called my
FBO,
and
the chief instructor said "oh, nice of them to inform the schools"
and
said
she would start rattling cages.

-- David Brooks