I've got to take issue with you on this statement: "People who are that
depressed are invariably so wrapped up in themselves and their imaginary
problems that the rest of the world barely exists for them. In fact, one of
the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when
I'm gone" is a common refrain."

"Imaginary problems"? - There are always hypochondriacs with imaginary
problems, but most people who suffer from depression are dealing with very
real problems. And it is these real problems that frequently trigger or
exacerbate depression. And there is also depression that is the result of a
chemical imbalance in the brain, which may have no connections with a
sufferers problems (or lack thereof).

"In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves is to hurt others". -
Successful suicides frequently agonize a great deal over the pain their
death will cause others. They worry about the pain, financial aspects, and
many other ways in which their death will impact their children, spouses,
siblings, and other relatives and friends. They know that by ending their
life they may keep a situation from getting worse, but even though they are
gone, their family still doesn't have any money, or the deceased may still
be branded a "sex offender", or whatever problems may have existed are still
there.

Another point: once a person has made a decision to end their life, they
frequently go into an upbeat, often euphoric state that lasts up until they
commit the act. Their problems are going to end, why should they worry or be
depressed? Why should they want to hurt others?

"They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain." - And it's the
refrain of the teenage girl with the razorblade who cuts across her wrist
even though she well knows that you have to cut lengthwise on the wrist to
kill yourself. This is typically a cry for attention or a form of
"blackmail" they are using to try to get their way on something. Since death
is really not the goal, most mental health professionals can have a good
outcome with these patients. But more and more teenagers are successfully
committing suicide, and this should be a concern (at some level) of all
parents of teenagers. I'm not going to write a manual on the raising of
teenagers; there are plenty of good ones out there. And there are plenty of
mental health professionals who can provide help. Don't be embarrassed to
consult one if one is needed.

Just felt some clarification was needed...







"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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"Montblack" wrote in message
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"C J Campbell"
The National Transportation Safety Board determines the probable
cause(s)
of
this accident as follows:

The dual student's intentional suicide by exiting from the airplane
during
descent. A contributing factor was the psychological condition of the
dual
student.


IIRC, it was a darn funny thread!!!

What? It's not like the guy landed on anyone :-)

The only thing I remember about the thread was whether the instructor
could/should have prevented the man from turning himself into a human lawn
dart and whether the instructor was telling the truth that he did not
notice
the man opening the door.

Of course, anyone who would try this probably could not care less if they
landed on someone. People who are that depressed are invariably so wrapped
up in themselves and their imaginary problems that the rest of the world
barely exists for them. In fact, one of the reasons they kill themselves
is
to hurt others. "They'll be sorry when I'm gone" is a common refrain.

It is really too bad. Depression is often treatable and usually temporary.
Most people suffer varying degrees of depression at some time in their
lives. It would be a heck of a note if we just let them all kill
themselves.