Commented below look down!

----- Original Message -----
From: "Peter Duniho"
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student,rec.aviation.piloting
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:40 PM
Subject: Student night solo?

The student will have passenger carrying privileges when he passes the
checkride. Therefore, if you don't feel comfortable having him fly with
passengers on your ticket, how can you send him to the checkride?

As I understand it the DE on the checkride is the students first passanger
evaluating the student.


Seriously...the above analogy is only a little facetious. The truth is
that, once your student has passed his checkride, he will be legal to do a
whole slew of things never covered in primary training.

Only thing I can think of is carring passangers and lower weather min for
some! As a student I was doing solo SVFR flights in the pattern. If they are
renting they may not be able to do a few things like soft field unless
approved by the FBO or Club.

The only
alternative to that situation is to make the primary training take orders
of
magnitude longer than it does now.

I have not meet one person that has done the primary training in the min
time usually 20 to 40 hours more then required.


Some things can be explored by the pilot on his own, gradually expanding
his
envelope of flight skills, others really will require additional training
time with a qualified instructor before the student ought to try them.

Humm?????? Like with all things of skill, But they should be at a skill
level that meets or exceeds PTS prior to check ride.

But
in all cases, they are examples of things that the student is not going to
be approved to do by his instructor before the checkride, nor should he
be,
even though the FAA will consider him legal to attempt after the
checkride.

I was allowed to do every thing in the PTS as a student on solo flights as
long as I demonstrated profiecenty.


I think it's great that you are able to train your students to solo
proficiency in night flight during the course of the student's training
(you
don't say how often you are able to do this in the minimum three hours),
but
the argument "he'll be able to do it after the checkride, so why not
before?" is just plain silly.

So if you know a student cannot fly well or be safe at night you would sign
him off for a check ride knowing that he would be unsafe at night? that is
just plain silly and rather reckless. The point of it all is building
proficiency not racing the clock to see how few of hours you can do it in
required 3 hours but if it take 10 or 12 or even 20 hours of night to be
safe & proficient then so be it.

It carries no logical weight whatsoever.

Just because they are not examined except by the instructor on night flying
and night proficiency doesn't mean you can skimp on that part of the flight
training.


Pete