"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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The rules are quite clear. Take the 150 nm cross country for a private
pilot
certificate, for example. This cross country flight has its own special
rules and definition. The total distance must be at least 150 nm, but only
one segment between airports must be at least 50 nm. You could meet this
particular cross country requirement by flying to an airport that is 10 nm
away, doing a touch and go, then to an airport 65 miles from that, do a
touch and go, and return to your original point of departure. Out and back
is 150 nm and two of the legs were over 50 nm. Or, you could fly 45 nm
from
A to B, 64 nm from B to C, and 45 nm from C to A, for a total distance of
154 miles, one leg being over 50 nm, but none of the airports being more
than 50 nm from the airport of original departure.



Chris, I just can't agree with the very last part of that, for the private
pilot certificate (or commercial, or instrument rating), unless I miss your
meaning, which seems quite clear. Yes, there are specific rules for the
private pilot XC, but they do not provide an exception to the requirements
of 61.1. The flight must meet 61.1(b)(3) as well as 61.109. Part 61.109
defines the experience requirements for cross-country flights, so the time
aquired on the student-private-pilot XC flights must meet the definition of
cross-country time as well as complying with any additional requirements for
the flights, in the absence of a specific exception.

(3) Cross-country time means-

....

(ii) For the purpose of meeting the aeronautical experience requirements
(except for a rotorcraft category rating), for a private pilot certificate
(except for a powered parachute category rating), a commercial pilot
certificate, or an instrument rating, or for the purpose of exercising
recreational pilot privileges (except in a rotorcraft) under §61.101 (c),
time acquired during a flight-

(A) Conducted in an appropriate aircraft;

(B) That includes a point of landing that was at least a straight-line
distance of more than 50 nautical miles from the original point of
departure; and

(C) That involves the use of dead reckoning, pilotage, electronic navigation
aids, radio aids, or other navigation systems to navigate to the landing
point.



I am unable today to reach John Lynch's Part 61 FAQ on the 'net. The latest
one I have stored on my computer, which is nearly two years old, makes it
clear that the flight must include a point of landing that is more than 50
nm from the original point of departure.

Also, I disagree with the T&G aspect of your post, since the reg requires
full-stop landings at a minimum of three points, but someone else has
already posted on that.

Aside: As to the general question of multi-leg and multi-day XC flights,
Q&A #433 addresses the subject, but it does not include the question of
local flight time at an intermediate airport.

Another aside: I think that following radar vectors is another means of
proceeding to a destination airport that does not meet the navigation
systems requirement of the rule.

Stan