My comments in text...

"Cecil Chapman" wrote in message
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I used to have a girlfriend

I'll bet you did,,, and then she realized you were a racist and off she
went - there's not much tolerance out here for mindless intolerance

I guess "off she went" is appropriate. She slid off a road and hit the end
of a concrete bridge. Yea, she left me, and a lot of other people who loved
her.

Asshole.



actually saw a black person was when
she went to Oakland. I'm afraid you may be a victim of that same
syndrome.

Not so,,, our former mayor (who kept getting reelected until he ran
against
term limits - he was one of our finest mayors and did great things for our
city) of San Francisco, was definitely quite black! Also, you've
obviously
never been in San Francisco for any appreciable length of time,,, I grew
up
here.

And Willie Brown dropped by your house how often? Just because you had a
black mayor doesn't mean you actually saw a black person. Or that your
conversation went beyond: "I'll have a Big Mac".

And what I wrote was not intended to be a literal statement. Good writers
can write that; good readers can recognize it.




One of my wife's coworkers related a story where she was attending a
college
in the South and was amazed to see on the public bulletin board notices
regarding KKK meetings. Being from L.A. and Northern California, she
developed friendships with the blacks on campus. Then one day, she
invited
two of her black girlfriends over to her dorm room. Her roommate wouldn't
say a word but would just glare at her guests. After her guests excused
themselves (clearly made uncomfortable by her roommate), her roommate went
on and told her "Don't you EVER bring one of THEM in this room".

My wife's friend finished the last few months of her semester and
transferred, elsewhere.

I didn't say there were NO racists in the South. I said that the South is
probably less racist than the rest of the nation.

And you didn't mention when your wife's coworker attended college. If it was
1955 I wouldn't find it surprising. But the next door neighbor of one of my
third cousin's best friends said it didn't happen anyway.




Have you not read anything lately? That stupid catch-phrase came out in
the
60's, when queers first started to come above ground as part of the queer
rights movement. It was bogus then and it is bogus now.

Wow,,, the 'Q' word rolls off of your tongue as the 'N' word, I'd guess.
What are you so afraid of? jeesh

I was around when the movement started; the term "gay" was not yet in wide
use. It was known as "Queer Rights". And "queer" and "******" are used
within their respective groups; if you are accepted by those groups you are
allowed to use the terms, also. So, sometimes in the early evening I'll come
out of my building and see four or five of my gay neighbors waiting for
cabs, and I'll say something like: "What's this? Queers night out?" And they
will usually respond with something like how much fun I'd have if I weren't
such a breeder.

And one funny: around the time that "gay" was beginning to "kick in", I was
having a drink with a homosexual friend of mine. I happened to use the term
"gay" and my friend just totally went off: "Gay? Gay? What the hell do you
mean by Gay? I'm not Gay, I'm a depressed queer!"





At this point, we don't know how many people are "born gay" and how many
adopt a gay lifestyle for whatever reason, including an inability to cope
with their straight sexuality.

I assume you like women, right? Just today,,,, without acting on it,,, I
want you to think about relating sexually with other males ------ WHAT ?
You can't do it? Sure ya can,,, it's a flexible 'choice' according to
you.
shaking my head

If you weren't so afraid of 'catching' being gay and actually spoke with
regular gay citizens, you would find that they are as hard-wired into
their
sexuality as you are (presumably) to women. I just don't get your 'fear'.

I resolved whatever sexuality issues I might have had a long time ago. And I
have spent enough time with homosexuals to have caught "being gay" a long
time ago if such a thing were possible. And actually, becoming a lesbian has
always seemed like an attractive prospect.




Showing the "gay lifestyle" as an attractive choice is probably not a
good
idea for a pubescent child who is wrestling
with their own sexuality.

It's not being presented as an attractive or unattractive. Rather it is
being presented as yet another variation of human interaction and just as
valid as a relationship. Realistically, since there are people like you
in
the world, why would anyone 'choose' (your word, not mine) to be gay - you
are made fun of, pointed at, called cruel names and in some parts of our
country killed by 'joe-bobs'. No one would CHOOSE to be gay, with all the
prejudice out there. They simply 'are' what they are. Just like you and I
can't 'help' our orientation.

"Will & Grace", "Ellen", "Elton John", "Ru Paul", "If These Walls Could
Talk" and many other entertainment personalities and programs portray a
"fun" side to homosexuality. I don't watch network TV but if I did I'm sure
I would find many more. And I'm sure you think these shows just happened to
show up on the networks when they did.




Since you find no perils in associating with gays, why don't you start
dropping your own child off in the Castro on Saturday afternoons. I'm
sure
some of the boys over there will be happy to teach him a lot of fun
things.

We bring him into the Castro, often, during celebrations and events. We
would no more leave our nine year old on the street corner in the Castro
anymore than we would leave him alone in any other part of town, by
himself.
Though we HAVE left him (without second thought) in the company of Gay &
Lesbian friends without a concern, because we knew the persons he was
with,
were fine people. I also want to point out that (with the exception of
Catholic Priests) the majority of child molesters of boys AND girls are
straight men married to women in heterosexual relationships.

Child molesters were not part of my discussion, as that has nothing to do
with homosexuality.




With regard to priests, always remember this: it's cheaper to pay than to
fight, and you don't get near as much publicity. And you will notice that
a
lot of these so-called "victims" suffer from a lot of mental problems.

REALLY????, they suffer from mental problems after having been sexually
assaulted as a child by a man they have been taught to trust - MY
GOODNESS,,,, what IS wrong with them jeesh .... (just shaking my head
at
your paragraph)

You wouldn't be shaking your head if you had actually done some research on
the subject. Research indicated that the molestation itself does not lead to
any mental health problems for the children. A child who is well-balanced
and stable prior to being molested will be well-balanced and stable after
being molested. Mental health issues develop when the parents and/or
caregivers overreact. In the case of children molested by priests, the
events are kept secret, so there is no overreaction and mental health issues
do not develop, in most cases. So a lot of these kids COME INTO the
molestation situation with a lot of mental health issues. Absent or abusive
fathers, incest and many other factors can lead to mental health issues and
drive a child to seek a male role model; and a priest makes a good prospect.

And you will notice that a disproportionate number of the kids molested by
priests are homosexual as teens and adults. A lot of these children are not
old enough to have a fully-developed concept of sexual orientation. Having a
man engage in sexual activity with them does not trigger the same emotional
reactions that would be triggered in an adult. To the child, it is just
something that feels good. So a MAN = PLEASURE dynamic develops, which the
child carries on into adulthood. Still want to tell me it's not catching?




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