On Sun, 07 Nov 2004 05:21:40 GMT, "G.R. Patterson III"
wrote:



Cecil Chapman wrote:

I go back to what I said before. The average citizen has NO need to have
armor piercing bullets (or rounds that will effectively do the same).

And they don't have any. The big problem is people like Boxer who label commonly used
ammunition "armor piercing" and play people like you for suckers.

You forgot the ones who call the ammo fired in a AK47 as high powered
when they are no more powerful than the low to medium powered
ammunition for deer hunting.


Any
cop-friend will tell you is to get a shotgun for home protection, you just
point in the 'general direction' and you'll hit the intruder.

Might scare 'em to death with the noise and muzzle flash indoors but
ya still gotta point the thing at what you want to hitsnicker

Bull****! A shotgun hits where you point it, and you'd better make damn sure you're
pointing it exactly where you want it to hit. The shot pattern from my 12 gauge will
be about 2" wide at 20'. Point that "in the general direction" of somebody, you're
just going to punch holes in the walls.

True, they don't stop 5 hours down the block but they sure are hard on
the plaster. 2 to 3 inches at 20 feet would be pretty much typical
for an open bore.

I watched, ok... shot with some officers using a double barrel 10Ga.
Even with #8 shot they never did hit a clay pigeon. Sure did make a
lot of noise though.


I've just been saying that Joe Bob down the street
doesn't need a shoulder fired missile, armor piercing bullets, automatic
weapons to defend his/her home.

And these are not available in the U.S. and have not been for many decades.

I remember an article in "Guns and Ammo" years back. They purchased a
20mm cannon, had it converted to a bolt action, added a "Hydrochoil
stock", and went plinking with HE ammo. It made that 50 cal sniper
rifle (forget the name of it now) look kinda puny. LOL They were
describing how far they were sliding from the recoil when shooting
prone.

But,,,, an AK-47???

They make a good hunting rifle although a bit bulky. I prefer my old
740 as it's lighter and more powerful. With the AK47 in Michigan you
just have to plug the magazine to 4 plus one in the chamber "as I
recall". You might have to explain to the DNR but it'd be legal. I
can just see a guy carrying one out in the woods with the big magazine
plugged to 4.


The semi-automatic version of the AK-47 is a fine weapon for hunting an animal that
weighs about 180 pounds, especially in brush. That's a deer, by the way.

Not much bigger than that though. OTOH a friend bagged a Kodiak with
his 44 mag hand gun in Alaska. It wasn't really by choice though.
The Kodiak was trying to remove him from his horse at the time and the
revolver was a whole lot handier than the big bore rifle which was
still in the scabbard. Made the Boon and Crocket records too.

I remember getting one of those deer "way back when". OTOH I bagged
two so far with my cars and one with the Deb. The Deb fared better
than the deer, but it was the biggest I've bagged between the cars,
airplane, and ought six! Even considering it cost over five grand to
replace the gear doors on the passenger side, it was probably a
quarter the cost per pound compared to the hunting:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.