"Jose" wrote in message

The business owner and web
designer think they are cool. Nobody else does. I skip them totally.

Your personal feelings towards these types of sites does not reality make.
I've seen plenty of well done, flashy, java-ed sites and have designed
plenty as well. One of my (and a lot of other folks) faves is
www.space.com. You may loathe it but I think it's a very well done site for
the type of material it is devoted to.

A side-line of by business is web design. The site owners - my customer -
sees the flashy stuff out there and wants it. My designers must accommodate
the customer's wishes.

We sometimes try to talk customers out of certain things like flash intros,
pop-ups and ESPECIALLY playing a sound on page load (I hate that crap!) but
the customer wants flashy stuff sometimes and flashy stuff is what he will
get.

What we usually end up with is a decently clean, uncluttered, quick-loading
site that has a little flash and mostly HTML (example at www.fpard.com).
Then there are customers who want nothing but flash because of the perceived
cool-quotient and won't be convinced otherwise. I gladly provide it.

It is simply reality that most of us small-time authors could care less what
the end user wants. We aim to please the person who is footing the bill.

--
Jim Fisher