On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:41:57 GMT, "Dude" wrote:


I don't. I count at most one spin that could have been recoverable if
the aircraft
had conventional spin behavior (and it has yet been proven that the Cirrus
can't be
recovered by some control inputs). Your assertion of numerous crashes as
a result
of spins and/or deployments is not supported. Even by your own
optimistic view
it's only 4.



Only 4? That seems like a lot for such a small fleet to me. I am amazed at
how people seem to think that average is acceptable. A new design should be
SAFER than a new 182 other 40 year old design of similar class. Progress is
called for is it not?


Not necessarily. The Cirrus design is a *high performance* airplane
with "fixed feet". Pilots appear to be treating it like any other
"fixed gear" airplane which it's not.

On top of that they have the BRS and to cover an apparent and admitted
inability to recover from a spin.

So, you have, in general, pilots with a fixed gear attitude flying an
airplane with a retract attitude. It is deceptively slippery.
It is 20 knots faster than the typical Bo and is definitely not a
short field aircraft.
According to the pilots of the one on our field it is a plane you fly
on, much like the G-III or Lancair IV. They specifically say it lands
fast and is not a pane for full stall landings.

I would be very interested in how it handles accelerated stalls.

Overall in my opinion and it is just that, an opinion, the plane could
use a larger tail and rudder. Any plane that whose POH says "pull the
chute" in a spin, or steep spiral needs a bit more work.

btw, there are 2 in the last few months, this and canada.

Combine that with the guys that were "going out to practice stalls" and you
have 3 that I know of. I couldn't get through all your guys mishmash to see

Practicing stalls in high performance means that most likely, sooner
or later, it is going to drop a wing. An uncoordinated stall brings a
spin *entry*, but a real spin takes time to develop. If the pilot is
not familiar with spins and high performance he/she is most likely to
use the ailerons which will accelerate the entry.

I do not know how Cirrus handles this situation, but the new owners
out here said you do not do uncoordinated stalls in the SR-22.

That scares me a bit as sooner or later one will happen, be it in
rough air, or a mistake in practicing.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

what other one is arguable.