Shawn Curry wrote in message hlink.net...
Tim Shea wrote:
I love to spin. Anyone else spin the Puch for more than three turns?

What happened
(obviously you survived)? I've heard that some other aircraft also have
a flatter spin mode that after several turns that is hard to recover
from. Any knowledge of why this happens? (Now where's my copy of Stick
and Rudder?)

Shawn


The Puke will usually recover quickly within the first 3 or so turns,
but it does go int a more stable, nose higher-type rotation after
maybe 4 or 5.
I've spun both the 55 and the 59 out of wave, maybe 15 turns or so,
and experianced what Tandem Tim described. I also got into this mode
in the 103 once, believe it or not, spinning it up over 17K. I believe
it has most to do with the gyroscopic inertia that builds after a few
turns.
SInce I was plenty high, ( in each case) my first thought was to
loosen the belts & lean forward, but I wanted to try control input
first. I held full opposite rudder, and centered & full forward stick.
In each case, they dropped through & recovered, but you had to sit
through a few rev's just holding those inputs and Believe that it will
eventually work. I was ready to try other options & inputs, but I
wanted to see if the hold-it & wait method would work.
It was a bit unnerving, the 103 went on for maybe 3 turns, the Puch
maybe 4, and the 59 maybe 5 or 6. (I don't remember if I had the tips
on) and I would never enter that mode again without 2 miles between me
and the nearest planet, and a rented plane.
If you instruct to fully developed rotation, start recovery in the
Puch as soon as it falls through, or within 1 turn, and don't stick
yer toes under the back seat pedals.
I fully agree with putting the emphasis on incipiant recovery, tho I
think there's value in training a pilot to remain calm & methodical in
an unexpected emergancy event, when the world is spinning way faster
than it should.
For those up to it, it does a nice snap at 55~60, nose up a little, &
full rudder, elevator & aileron. If you hold it all the way through,
it comes around a second time with the nose real high. (Flame suite on
for the safety nazis)

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