"Andy Durbin" wrote in message
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"Bill Daniels" wrote in message

If you have a glider that exhibits a pronounced float in ground effect,
I'd
advise against a no-spoiler approaches. I think this may be where
accidents
due to training will be greater than those due to a real spoiler
failure.

Bill Daniels


I think the distinction should be made between no spoiler
patterns/circuit/approaches and no spoiler landings.

I think a simulated jammed closed, or jammed open, situation is useful
training but, as I said earlier, I always released the malfunction on
short final. The landing float was not an issue as spoiler/airbrake
could be used for the landing.

When doing simulated engine fails with airplane pilots I always make
it clear that the engine is available on short final. No point in
busting the airplane with a hard landing.


Andy

I'll eagerly accept that any exercise that improves a students judgement in
pattern work is worthwhile and I agree that no spoiler patterns would do
that. The problem is that some have interpreted the "no-spoiler" exercise
as a landing to a stop without the use of any spoilers at all to simulate a
spoiler system failure. That's scary.

Bill Daniels