Errr

Mike..in answer to your points...

I don't have much power experience, but people I have
flown with and coverted to gliders include an ETPS
graduate, a lightning pilot and ex RAF low level aerobatics
champion and a number of high hour ATPL's - and I've
listened intently to what they've said during the conversion
process..

Perhaps I should have excluded fighter and aerobatic
pilots specifically from my comments, but I did not
say spam can pilots never used the rudder nor that
they never fly at high AOA..

During my own power training in the UK (again post
learning to glide like you) I was not terribly impressed
with the forced landing training.

As has been said here before glider pilots spend most
of the time flying in the lower 40% of the speed range
of their airframe and power pilots (F4's, world record
attempts, test flying, excursions into outer space
and so on excluded) spend most of the time in the upper
40% of their speed range..

I normally respect your opinion on these sort of things,
but I do wish you would read what I wrote and not what
you thought I wrote..

Mark

At 21:36 09 February 2004, Mike Borgelt wrote:
On 9 Feb 2004 09:17:28 GMT, Mark Stevens
wrote:

In my opinion any comparison with the withdrawal of
spin training for US PPL's is invalid, power pilots
do not routinely fly at high angles of attack, and
tend not to use the rudder in most phases of flight.
They also tend not to make the number of outlandings
glider pilots do and tend not to have the same problems
to solve in the pattern..


Do you fly power?
I got my power licence after 27 years gliding.
Where do you get the idea that power pilots don't use
the rudder?
Rudder is used as required. In most power planes not
much rudder is
required because of the design of the ailerons and
the short wings but
it is still required if you want to keep the ball in
the middle. Put a
well trained power pilot in a glider and he might take
a couple of
minutes to figure it out but that is about all. He
probably will take
a little longer to do good coordinated continuous steep
turns but that
is only because glider pilots do many more than power
pilots do.
Hopefully power pilots don't do many outlandings but
I was impressed
by the amount of time spent during training on forced
landings and
then you have a far worse problem than in a glider.

JJ might fill you in on use of rudder at high AOA in
power planes like
the F4.

Mike Borgelt