Kirk Stant wrote:

A couple of points, and if anyone thinks any
of these are wrong, please correct me:

1. If a qualifying task is completed which is a subset
of the declared task, this is fine:

EXAMPLE:

A B


D C E

If A-B-E-C-D-A is declared, A-B-C-D-A is flown, and
A-B-C-A qualifies as a 300km triangle, then (assuming the
OZ and altitude rules are met), this is considered a
"declared and completed 300km triangle." Congratulations!

This is wrong, and I goofed. 4.2.2 "No turn points after
a missed turn point can
be claimed." Interestingly, though, the start and finish as far as I know
are NOT turnpoints. So A-B-A can still be claimed as
an out and return, but since E was missed, no turnpoints after
E can be claimed. Again, comments are welcome. This is complex and
comments are helping me work through it.


Huh? Last time I checked, a triangle had three points. So a DECLARED
triangle has three DECLARED points, not as many as you want. You
declare what you are going to fly, then either fly it or don't.
Pretty simple, even for a power pilot...

Well, in the annex C examples, SC3 does describe declared courses
which are not triangles, but which include points which qualify
as a triangle, and that this is fine (the lesser included performance
can be claimed).

The idea here being that if someone declares a 3TP course, and
completes it, if there is a lesser included O&R, triangle, or
straight distance which qualifies or makes a record, then
this is fine.

Are more than 3TPs allowed in a declaration? I can't find
any restriction on this...


2. There is no limit on the number of turnpoints one
may declare for a flight.

See above. A declared triangle has a start, two turnpoints, and a
finish. You can't just declare your entire turnpoint list.

Hmmm...I think you can, but the caveat is that if any turnpoints
are missed along the way, the performance stops (4.2.2 above).
This is clearly a show-stopper...

I honestly don't see anything in the regs which specifically
limits one from declaring more than three turnpoints for a
task. Again, I welcome comments and corrections...

3. Turnpoints may be repeated in a delaration.
A-B-C-D-E-A-B-C-E-D-A-B-D-C-E-A-B-D-E-C-A-B-E-C-D-A-B-E-D-C-
A-C-B-D-E-A-C-B-E-D-A-C-D-B-E-A-C-D-E-B-A-C-E-B-D-A-C-E-D-B-
A-D-B-C-E-A-D-B-E-C-A-D-C-B-E-A-D-C-E-B-A-D-E-B-C-A-D-E-C-B-
A-E-B-C-D-A-E-B-D-C-A-E-C-B-D-A-E-C-D-B-A-E-D-C-B-A-E-D-B-C

is a perfectly valid task declaration. It's also quite useful,

More like total bull****.
Eeeep. Yes I was just plain wrong. Thanks to the posters that
helped me find 4.2.2 which makes this clear...

Is that how you teach power students to
plan their crosscountry flights? "Just fly around and land at any
airport you happen to see out the window, that will count for your
preflight XC planning..."

Of course not G. LOL. I'm just trying to see where the verbiage is
for each of these tasks. Keep in mind, the free 3-TP tasks seem to
allow just that, and yes, one can plan for those too, so although
it doesn't apply to the non-free tasks, such an idea isn't so farfetched
when flying for free records. I've planned, gotten briefed, and flown to
20-30 airports in one day before. Duats makes this less complex to
plan and brief than one might imagine.

If I was flying the quite respectable distances you overachievers do,
I'd certainly have a standard duats course which included all the
airports that were potential landouts on the way. "Crosswind runway
closed for construction" is nice to know beforehand!

Why? THE WHOLE POINT IS TO DECLARE THE FLIGHT BEFORE YOU FLY IT, THEN
FLY IT! Otherwise, you are just wandering around. Nothing wrong with
that, but it isn't a declared badge flight.

True. Again 4.2.2 makes that clear.


Mark, read more Pez, wax up the PW-5, declare a task, then go fly it -
you'll feel a lot better afterwards.

Rereading Pez is funny too...and had some fun in house thermals
Saturday. Spring is a comin'

Oh, and when you land out, get a ground retrieve, not an aerotow -
your friends will appreciate the steak dinner.

Believe it or not, I got the wife and baby at the gliderport!
And they had a blast. I dunno about this ground retrieve idea tho,
sounds sketchy to me... ;(

Kirk
66

Mark
35 (but I tell everyone I'm 21)

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Mark Boyd
Avenal, California, USA