rjciii wrote:

Shawn Curry wrote:


...operate a $25 million dollar jet aircraft in the defense of our national objectives.

WTF? You don't mean 757s do you?


No Shawn. Actually, I was trying to make an estimate of the cost of
an F-16 ($26.9 million FY98).
I am not aware of any 757s in the U.S. Air Force inventory (yet).

If your remark is a slight about an Academy grad leaving the Air Force
after honorable serving out his training commitment and applying his
learned skill to an airline job:

Wow! How can you get off the ground with that chip on your shoulder. I
didn't even allude to such a spectacular twisting of my words.
Didn't know you flew 757s. Cool with me. (Is the green showing through
:-) )
1) My first breath was in a military hospital.
2) My father would be a Vietnam vet if he had survived the war (and I
respect him and ALL vets, war or not)
3) I grew up in the Springs going to Graduations and riding my bike
around the base. I didn't pursue the USAFA when I was a kid because
back then, if you didn't have 20/20 vision, there was no chance to fly
F-16s.


3. And why is it any business of yours?
(It damn sure ain't.)\

Right, and frankly Ray I don't need you to tell me now.

4. And what does all this have to do with recreational soaring?
(Nothing. But your now two egregious statements against Air Force
Academy Cadets/Graduates begs retort.

No, not cadets (OK one, who shouldn't have pulled so aggressively above
Va), not the Grads. The staff/command that can't keep the program in
the air.

I would not have been compelled
to get involved if only you would have exercised some discretion and
not made a snide, unrelated, and untrue comment about Cadets ripping
the wings off of aircraft. Let's just stick to the script, shall we.)

Here's a snip from the report I read:

3. AVIATION CLASS A MISHAPS UNDER INVESTIGATION:
3.1. TG-10D, 18 OCT 02
THE MISHAP PILOT (MP) (CADET) WAS CONDUCTING A SOLO TRANSITION SORTIE
FOR QUALIFICATION TRAINING PURPOSES. THE PROFILE WAS TO CONSIST
PRIMARILY OF SPIN TRAINING. AFTER COMPLETING THE SPIN ACTIVITY THE MP
INITIATED A HIGH-SPEED PASS IN PREPARATION/PRACTICE FOR A STADIUM
FLYOVER TO BE ACCOMPLISHED THE FOLLOWING DAY. THE MP PUSHED THE NOSE
OVER AND ACCELERATED TO APPROXIMATELY 100 KNOTS. HE THEN PULLED AN
ESTIMATED 3 G'S TO RECOVER FROM THE DIVE. AS THE MP RELAXED BACK
PRESSURE TOWARDS THE NEUTRAL POSITION, APPROXIMATELY 6 FEET OF THE LEFT
WING FOLDED OVER THE TOP OF THE WING.
Told ya so :-P
TG-10D = L-33 Solo. That's what it has to do with recreational soaring.

Yes, of course I meant in defense of our nation--which has always been
the prime national objective.

Let me quote a few more lines from the federal government.

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect
Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the
common defense, ..."
Looks like defense is #4

Don't know where "Common offense" comes in. W is fixing that I guess.
The parallel between W and Hitler and the early Nazi Party is frightening.
There can I invoke Godwin's and we'll call it a day?

Shawn