I've been able to get birth certificate records by phone contact to the
county the are filed in, or in the case of some.. by web request. Granted
each time took a week or two to complete the mailing to my residence. I did
not have to fly 3000 miles to retrieve such records in person.

As for Scenario #2... I agree.. the help desk person has not a clue... but
it's not a matter of "solo" it's a matter of receiving training...

We are already directing all recent contacts that have inquired about
training to bring notarized copy for us to see, and a copy (of any type) to
keep, or just give us the notarized copy.

BT

"Burt Compton" wrote in message
...
Scenario # 1: I've got 2 guys (with FAA SEL Pilot Certificates) who
planned to
come to Marfa, Texas for glider training next week. Neither has a US
Passport
nor can they obtain a Certified Copy of their Birth Certificate because
they
are told you need to go to your home town or county to obtain it in person
from
the Clerk's office. Both of the guys tell me they are US Citizens, but
there's
no time to obtain TSA required documents in time to start training with me
next
week. Even though your FAA Pilot Certificate lists your Nationality, it
is
not a valid form of ID according to the TSA "help" desk. TSA tells me I
cannot
train them. I wonder if they are giving out consistent advice?

Scenario # 2: Third student is a local 13 year old youngster. Hopes to
solo
on 14th birthday over the Christmas Holidays. Has no previous glider
training
except great RC model flyer. Been reading books and watching soaring
videos.
No Passport. Mom working on getting an original certified copy of his
birth
certificate from out of state. TSA "help" desk has no idea what I'm
talking
about. Advised me that no one can fly solo under age 16. Looks like TSA
doesn't understand gliders - or at least the advisor I talked with was not
aware.

I guess we will have to advise our students well in advance of coming to
fly
with us to get their documents in order. The spontaneous days of the
touring
airplane pilot who sees a gliderport and wants a spur-of-the-moment
introductory dual glider flight are gone, unless they are carrying a US
Passport. The kid that learned to be your line crew last weekend will
not get
their first dual glider flight as a reward for their work. I wonder how
CAP is
dealing with this?

Looks like every American at every age should obtain and carry a US
Passport.
Makes life easier to carry your "papers". But then again, I'm not
trained to
detect forged Passports.

Burt
Marfa, Texas