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Old March 27th 05, 04:21 PM
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Ed Rasimus wrote:
On 26 Mar 2005 14:19:03 -0800, "Bob" wrote:


Hi John,
. Now in the air in ACM
it was a dog and took both hands to pull max G's. Pretty good vertical
with it's power and gave you a real edge over guys who didn't like to
get their nose up. Nasty and unrecoverable flat spin mode, not as bad
as the F-14 but usually resulted in either a punch out or a mort. So
you didn't spin it, simple enough. The guy who told you the F-4 was
scary dirty must have been a helo pilot or an USAF guy. Not all that
analytical for sure.



That's low. Really low.

And, notice how I resist saying that USAF guys could pull max G with
out using two hands.

I just wouldn't say something like that.

Of course, if you didn't have to hover on the CAP at "max conserve"
orbiting at 250 KIAS to meet cycle time it was a lot easier. Just run
around the alloted area a bit above corner velocity and you can grab
all the G you want with one hand.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
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Two hands to pull 'max 'G'? Hogwash. I could overstress the thing w/o
problem.

As for everything else, pretty close. I did love it but never heard of
one in a flat spin. Lots of OOC, spin stuff but nothing flat. Even when
the stab horns were breaking, 1976.7, we lost a F-4J(VF-33) when it
broke. The plane spun but when the airloads allowed the stab to fall
full leading edge up, it recovered.