On Sat, 07 May 2005 02:02:40 GMT, George Patterson wrote:

A Lieberman wrote:

You must hear the words cleared through Bravo on a VFR flight.

New York ATC disagrees with you.

New York doesn't disagree with me.

I would suspect they disagree with
http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp7/atc0709.html which is the controlling
factor of VFR flight into Bravo airspace.

Since I am quoting the regulations, I'd suspect that your New York ATC
folks may want to take a look at the above ATC chapter.

Climbing instructions you received is clearly not a clearance into Bravo
airspace. You absolutely must hear the words Cleared into Bravo. It's
required that ATC clears you AND you are required to read back this
clearance.

FYI. This is one of the benefits of IFR flights. All airspace is
transparent, and you are cleared into Bravo once you receive your
clearance.

Lets put it another way. If my ticket is on the line, you can bet I will
be hearing those magic words before entering Bravo on a VFR flight.

But then again, if I am going near Bravo airspace, I will be filing IFR
anyway, so that I don't have to worry about it.

Allen