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A Lieberman wrote:
On Sun, 08 May 2005 05:46:16 GMT, A Guy Called Tyketto wrote:

Class C, on the other hand, requires 2-way comunication. When
that is established, unless told otherwise, you have clearance through
Class C airspace. If ATC tells you to not enter it, for whatever
reason, you don't enter it. In short, once again, if the 2-way
communication is established between pilot and ATC, the clearance
into/through Class C airspace is implied, and pilots may fly through.

Brad,

There is no such thing as "implied clearance" through class C as you state
above. Please see http://www.faa.gov/atpubs/ATC/Chp7/atc0708.html. Note
7-8-4.

Clearances MUST be read back. When you contact ATC in Charlie airspace,
you do not have to read back your "permission to enter" Charlie airspace.

Typical transmission would be:

ME Jackson Approach (JAN) Sundowner 1234L out of Madison, climbing through
500, headed to Covington LA. (Note the three W's).

JAN Sundowner 1234L, squawk 0103, altimeter 29.89.

ME 34L squawk 0103, altimeter 29.89.

Note, at this point, I have been given PERMISSION to enter Charlie
airspace.

Exactly what I've been saying. I never said you had to readback
a clearance INTO Class C, but that if a controller tells you for
whatever reason to remain OUTSIDE of Class C, that should be read back.

I did not have to read back the "permission" where as Class Bravo, I must
not only hear the magic words cleared into Bravo, I MUST read back that
clearance.

You will NEVER hear the words, cleared into Charlie.

Hope this clears it up for you.

I agree, but I never said you'd hear 'cleared into class C'.
Just that if they tell you to remain outside of it, that should be read
back, and sometime along the way, ATC should be able to either a) tell
you when you will be able to transition it, or b) work you around their
airspace, either via different suggested routing (note, not giving vectors),
different altitudes (possibly dropping you into class D, should that
area exist near/around there), or handing off to another controller who
can get you back on your course.

BL.
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