"A Guy Called Tyketto" wrote in message
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I'm telling you, as well as the 7110.65P tells you, that you
will hear that.


You're not in a position to tell me anything on this subject and FAAO
7110.65 does NOT use that phrase.



I'll say request, because even a 'roger' is acknowledgment.


Are you saying your original statement was wrong?



But if ATC must get a readback that the pilot acknowledges and knows he
must tay outside of that airspace.


There is no requirement for ATC to get that readback.



Apparently, for as much a love you
have for aviation, your lack of knowledge of the regulation
documentation really disturbs me, as an ATC.


I know everything about these requirements, and you're not an ATC.



Call your local TRACON or
center facility, and ask them about Class Bravo airspace and readbacks
regarding entering and leaving it.


When my local TRACON gets such questions there frequently directed to me for
the answer.



Because they will.


You think they will because they will? That's not an answer. Something
caused you to posess this erroneous belief, what was it? Did it come to you
in a dream?



Because you hadn't read anything back.


There's no need to, and there's no reason for ATC to desire one. How could
they require a readback?



No response = no confirmation that their call was received.
That could mean lost communications, which ATC has another set of
regulations to follow, to find out your situation.


Do you understand that acknowledgement IS a response?



I'm training for ATC.


Really. You must be very early in the program. I teach ATC.



We're supposed to keep separation of
aircraft, as well as the pilots of those aircrafts safe. That requires
communication. Communication is two-sided. If ATC is trying to
communicate, and doesn't hear the other side acknowledging, ATC isn't
going to assume everything is hunky-dory, and go about his other
business, especially in Class Bravo. He's going to want acknowledgment
that his call was heard and understood.


That's true, but your position has been that mere acknowledgement is not
sufficient, that the pilot MUST provide a readback. I and a few others have
been trying to explain to you that a readback is NOT required.



If requiring flight following, yes. Either the controller
handing the pilot off to an Approach/Departure controller operating
class C will have already made radar contact, or if the pilot contacts
the Approach/Departure controller and requests flight following, they
will be given a transponder code and radar identified. Otherwise there
is no flight following.


No, is it still your position that there must be radar contact prior to
entry?