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Old May 25th 05, 01:18 AM
Howard Nelson
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"Guillermo" wrote in message
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I'm a Part 135 pilot and we're starting to get a lot of missions that
are two pilot crews. These are in airplanes that don't require a SIC
as the AutoPilots work, we're not flying over 8 hours and it's not
required by the Type certificate.

I'm a Captain in all the planes but move to the right seat often. When
I'm in the right seat what can I log? From my reading of the FAR's I
can only log Total Time. Is that correct? I can't log PIC as I'm not
the PIC nor sole manipulator of the controls. Can I log landings,
Instrument, X/C, etc..?


Maybe this doesn't apply exactly to your case, but I wanted to set up
another related discussion.
I was very confused, but then I figured out that the trick is realizing

that
acting an PIC and logging PIC time is completely different (as weird as it
sounds).

Case 1: I am PIC, manipulator of controls and I log PIC time (the usual
case)
Case 2: A friend who is rated in an airplane, but is not current, takes

over
the controls. He cannot be the PIC because he is not current, but he logs
PIC time because he is sole manipulator and he's rated for the airplane. I
am legally the PIC, but I'm not logging PIC time.
Case 3: I am safety pilot. I log PIC because I am required pilot (PIC) by
the regulation by which the flight is conducted. The manipulator of the
controls logs PIC because he is manipulating the controls.

Now, another question: Is there any regulation that requires that the
manipulator of the controls has to be rated in the aircraft and current? I
mean, is it illegal (if I'm not an instructor) to let a non-rated friend

fly
the airplane. I've never found anything that says that is illegal. As long
as you are safe and you don't break the recklessness rules.

Does all this sound right?


In number 3 you and the other pilot need to decide who is PIC. I log "safety
pilot" time in my book but not PIC. If an enforcement action is brought
against the flight the PIC is responsible. My partner and I usually have the
person under the hood as PIC.

Howard



guillermo