On 29 May 2005 18:05:42 -0700, wrote:

Question their navigation abilities or not, but these people are in the
pattern. Remember, there are student pilots and they don't know which
way anything is. Don't believe me? Do a google search on "landing
pattern computer" and look at the products. Someone is buying these
things.

Point well taken on student pilots Dave. Student pilots should get the
extra consideration for the learning curve. After all, we all have been
there. My original post only considered pilots, not students.

Even if the student does not know which way would be NW from the airport,
they still should have a conception of 5 miles out as I posted originally.

Even knowing that, the see and avoid on my part would be a little more
critical with the hopes that the student is correctly calling out his legs
on the pattern.

That said, I tried making VFR-comprehensible position reports when I
was working on my instrument, and my CFII scolded me for it. He was
right at the time; I had enough work to do to fly the procedure
correctly. However, today, I usually do it anyway.

Now, my CFI was the opposite. He had me do the call in my original post so
that everybody (students hopefully!) would know my position in relation to
the airport.

At MBO, there are no landmarks for the VOR Alpha approach to report other
then the VOR that's 5 miles out.

Allen