"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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Sorry about the delay in replying. The controller need not enter the time
or even think about it...timing the holding pattern is the pilot's
responsibility. If the controller's flow plan has another plane
approaching/descending to the same holding fix, all he needs is the report
of entering. I think the time report is just for the audio tape.


Well, since the tape has a time reference, there should be no need for the
pilot to report the time at all.



And, of course, there is no such thing as a VFR holding pattern.


There's one over Rush Lake, Wisconsin.



In my experience, if ATC wants me to kill time when VFR they will tell me
to
stay clear of the airspace that I wanted to enter and circle. Where and
how is up to me.


What if you're already in that airspace?



I remember one night way back when, when I was arriving at Reno for the
air races and it was after dark. Everybody was VFR, and ATC had us all
hanging around in the vicinity of the VOR with no other separation than
that we imposed on ourselves...lotta plane-to-plane chatter about
altitudes and general direction from the VOR.


Okay, but what if you were in Class B airspace?