Airport is KBCK, Falls 1 MOA. Central Wisconsin, Green Bay sectional.

Actually, the advice I previously received here (from a couple of controllers
IIRC) was correct: If the MOA is hot, ATC will not let you in IFR. If you
can't cancel and go in VFR, you are SOL. In the KBCK case, I would consider
going in VFR because it is very close to the edge of the MOA at one point.

To double check, I called Center on the phone. The admin phone for both Chicago
and Minneapolis centers is the same, so I ended up talking to a controller at
Chicago. He said the same thing as above.

Re the rest of your thoughts, that is all new to me. I have flown near a few
hot MOAs while on an IFR clearance and have never heard Center talking to the
military guys. I have also never read any idea that ATC would be working with
the military guys. Is this just your theory?

I have read a couple of articles on MOAs from the military viewpoint and the
gist was that they are really scared of civilian traffic because they are moving
so fast relative to us. In fact, I think in some cases we are such slow movers
that their targeting radar suppresses our returns.

On 7/5/2005 7:36 PM, John Doe wrote the following:
"Mitty" wrote in message
...

I have to try to KBCK next week for a funeral. It is inside a MOA.

Filing IFR seems safer than going in VFR, but if I file and the MOA is
hot, what is ATC going to do?


ATC owns the MOA. If need be, they can block the military aircraft in the
MOA to altitude deconflict from you under you're through. File IFR and
follow their instructions. If that doesn't work for you, file VFR and go
anyway. Military pilots are well trained that MOA are not exclusive use
airspace and civilian traffic may transit the airspace at any time. ATC
will likely give them point outs of your location and they will avoid you
even if you're VFR (as long as you're transponder is working).

Which MOA is it?