"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"John Doe" wrote in message
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ATC owns the MOA.


In what way?


MILITARY OPERATIONS AREA (MOA): Airspace established outside the Positive
Control Area (PCA) to separate/segregate certain military activities from
IFR traffic and to identify for VFR traffic where these activities are
conducted. Whenever a MOA is active, nonparticipating IFR traffic may be
cleared through the area provided ATC can ensure IFR separation; otherwise,
ATC will reroute or restrict nonparticipating IFR traffic.

Military does not get exclusive use of a MOA, just because it's identified
as a MOA. A MOA is just a chunk of VFR airspace that's been identified by
ATC as an area used by military traffic. Each MOA might have specific
arrangments made between the local ATC and the miliary on altitudes, types
of use, etc.



If need be, they can block the military aircraft in the MOA to altitude
deconflict from you under you're through.


No they can't. They don't work the traffic in the MOA.


Yea, actually they do. I have over 2000 hours flying military jets in MOAs
and every single time I have been in contact with ATC. They normally have a
UHF working freq assigned to the MOA that military aircraft will monitor.
While not actively receiving any services from ATC while in the MOA, ATC
always has a freq to contact them on if needed, Guard being the last resort.
I have recieved countless changes to my clearance while in a MOA, effecting
my block altitudes, traffic advisories, etc from ATC while working in MOAs.




ATC will likely give them point outs of your location and they will avoid
you even if you're VFR (as long as you're transponder is working).


They're not on ATC frequency.


Already commented on this. Yes they are, just not the one you're listening
to. They are not on same VHF freq as civilian traffic. ATC is talking to
them on a seperate UHF freq, specific to that MOA.