"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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If flying the ODP without telling ATC can create separation issues, then
that is NOT how the system should work. If ATC is neither giving you an
alternate TERPs checked procedure to fly, nor keeping the ODP route clear,
then they are flat out doing it wrong, and there most certainly IS a
problem.

Conditions were clear, night vmc in the mountains with no moonlight. The
ODP was not issued.