On Mon, 3 Nov 2003 23:39:57 -0500, "Robert Henry"
wrote:


"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
.. .


If flying the ODP without telling ATC can create separation issues, then
that is NOT how the system should work. If ATC is neither giving you an
alternate TERPs checked procedure to fly, nor keeping the ODP route clear,
then they are flat out doing it wrong, and there most certainly IS a
problem.

Conditions were clear, night vmc in the mountains with no moonlight. The
ODP was not issued.


Weather conditions don't make any difference. Whether they protect the ODP
or not depends on the flight rules under which you are flying. VFR or IFR.

If you were IFR they should have been protecting the ODP, regardless of the
weather conditions. Or they should have given you alternate departure
instructions. If they are not doing this, they need training.




Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)