"Robert Henry" wrote in message
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"Ron Rosenfeld" wrote in message
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If flying the ODP without telling ATC can create separation issues, then
that is NOT how the system should work. If ATC is neither giving you an
alternate TERPs checked procedure to fly, nor keeping the ODP route
clear,
then they are flat out doing it wrong, and there most certainly IS a
problem.

Conditions were clear, night vmc in the mountains with no moonlight. The
ODP was not issued.


When would an ODP ever be specifically issued unless more than one procedure
was available and traffic separation depended on which one you flew? Is the
assignment of an ODP something that if they don't specifically issue it as
part of your IFR clearance, then you can't fly it?

The way it works in my airspace is that I issue you an IFR departure
clearance *after* I deconflict you from other IFR traffic. You fly any
pertinent ODP at your discretion unless I assign something else. You do an
ODP and get with traffic, and I am the guy who screwed up.

Chip, ZTL