"Peter R." wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Peter R." wrote in message
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Why not simply state in the chapter you referenced that "announcing
PAN-PAN" will be treated as an emergency by ATC?

That's essentially what 6-3-2a3a says, although 6-1-2a in conjunction
with
the P/CG makes it clear too.

Essentially? Makes it clear?

Well yes. AIM subsection 6-3-2 is called "Obtaining EMERGENCY Assistance".
To request that assistance from ATC, the subsection says you should
"transmit a distress or urgency message consisting of... if distress,
MAYDAY... if urgency, PAN-PAN...". How much clearer could it possibly be
that ATC treats "pan-pan" calls as emergencies? (And *in addition*, AIM
6-1-2a already explained that distress and urgency conditions are the two
kinds of emergencies.)

Sorry, but the fact that ATC treats a PAN-PAN as an emergency
is *still* not as black and white to me as it is to you,
at least in terms of the AIM.

Ok, but you still haven't articulated *any* objection to my conclusion,
other than your completely-unexplained reluctance to accept the reasoning
that if 1) "pan-pan" declares an urgency condition, and 2) an urgency
condition is one of the two kinds of emergency, then 3) "pan-pan" declares
one of the two kinds of emergency. (This is, by the way, the *same*
reasoning that tells us that ATC treats "mayday" calls as emergencies. You
don't doubt the reasoning in *that* case, do you?)

It would perhaps be helpful if you were to briefly clarify the following. Do
you think then that "pan-pan" does *not* declare an urgency condition
(contrary to what the P/CG and AIM 6-3-2a3a say)? Or do you think that
"pan-pan" declares an urgency condition that is somehow not an emergency
(contrary to what AIM 6-1-2a says)?

Sorry to persist on this point, but I think it's pretty crucial for pilots
to be clear on the basics of emergency communications.

--Gary