On Fri, 7 Nov 2003 22:48:42 -0500, "Robert Henry"
wrote:

Inside Class D, below MVA, for a visual approach in vmc? Aren't both
aircraft VFR for the purposes of collision avoidance at this point?

ATC is responsible for providing separation between IFR aircraft. IFR
refers to the RULES under which the aircraft are flying and NOT to the
weather conditions.

What protection would be provided?

Separation from other IFR traffic.

Radar services are not being provided to
either aircraft along the ODP since both are inside the ring and below MVA.

I don't know what you mean by "the ring". But since when are radar
services required for IFR traffic separation? Radar allows for less
separation, but non-radar IFR regulations have been around for a long time.

Now if it were IMC, that would be a different case

Why and how?

(Unless *both* aircraft report traffic in sight, and consent to "maintain
visual separation")


no approaches that traverse this ODP, so there would be no truly VFR aircraft
or IFR aircraft on visual approaches in that space; it's pretty easy to
protect.

But you are implying that they are NOT protecting this airspace unless the
pilot specifically requests an ODP (something he is NOT required to do)
when you talk about the possibility of "head to head" encounters.


Ron (EPM) (N5843Q, Mooney M20E) (CP, ASEL, ASES, IA)